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AIBU?

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My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (and her mum)

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workworkworkugh · 26/12/2020 06:57

I'm going to write this in point form, I just want to get some other unbiased opinions on my son and his gf of 5 months.
Our point of view is that the relationship is not a healthy one.
We understand that at this age teens start to move away from the family unit but we feel this is above the realms of 'normal'

*she gets mad at him if she doesn't have his full attention.
*she gets mad at him if he hangs out with his mates, so he hasn't hung out with them for 3+ months.
*last time he did she dumped him.
*she cries if he's not at school
*she gets mad at him for playing his Xbox (and not answering her call on the first ring)
*he got a new Xbox for Xmas and she's already making noises about him playing it too much, also about his sport that he loves playing is starting up again soon and she's getting sad about that.
*he spends every single day with her, anywhere from 6-14hours
*it's like he feels guilty if he spends time with us so has to make it up to her
*he can't spend a full day with us as a family, not even Xmas day
*we invite her to our house and to things we're going to but she refuses
*at one point he didn't eat dinner with us for over two weeks as he was with her
*they send literal pages of gushing to each other every single day about how much they love each other and the kids they're going to have 😳
*her mum seems to encourage it (the intensity) which doesn't help
*the Mum, who is 50yo, has texted him (in reply to his messages) "thank you my beautiful James Arthur, you're so adorable" along with a kissy face emoji (not his real name obviously)

We're happy for him to spend time with her and don't stop him much, but it's getting to be too much. We miss him and sometimes want to see him too.
He seems to know it's not right but 'loves her', and I remember young love, we're only in our 30's, so we're happy to be flexible but it still feels very unhealthy to us.
We also don't want to alienate him.

So AIBU and how to we put some boundaries in place, because he clearly doesn't know how to!

OP posts:
Whyarewehardofthinking · 26/12/2020 10:56

We've ended up dealing with issues like this as a school and our DSL had to intervene due to the level of what is control from the girls involved. The text from the mum would also interest our DSL; we've had a mother who was trying to get the 16 year old boyfriend to move in with them. We are convinced it was for baby making too.

I'd have a word with his head of year at school when they go back so they can keep an eye on it.

Spittingchestnuts · 26/12/2020 11:31

Op that does sound very difficult indeed.

I don't think you should stop living life in the way you want to though and he definitely should not be dictating terms.

So, for example, go to the beach tomorrow whatever he does (as long as he knows you would love him to join you but up to him). Carry on living your life and make sure the rest of the family has a great time without him.

Our lives at the moment are dictated by his plans and where we have to take him to or pick him up from. He tells us what time to pick him up (from her house) and we get there and he still makes us wait.

You are certainly under no obligation to facilitate his life! Why are taking him to his gf's and picking him up? I would be stopping that immediately. And if you are picking him up on the way to somewhere else (sports practice) and he makes you wait, drive on. Don't wait for him. Say you will be there at 4pm precisely and if he's not ready you are driving on. Even better, he can get himself to sports practice.

I'm sorry I have never even heard of this "baby making" scenario other posters are mentioning in relation to gf's mother. I didn't even know it was a thing! If he is being controlled by another adult then that is a very different scenario.

Spittingchestnuts · 26/12/2020 11:44

Meant to add op that it sounds as if you are a great parent and I'm sure he will see the light in a few months or so ... .

If you think this relationship with his gf is dysfunctional though then you are under no obligation to drive him back and forth to his house. That way, he is having all the fun of a relationship with no effort on his part! His attitude may change if he has to get himself there ... or are you worried he will just move in?

saraclara · 26/12/2020 11:58

Our lives at the moment are dictated by his plans and where we have to take him to or pick him up from. He tells us what time to pick him up (from her house) and we get there and he still makes us wait.

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. You're not his taxi service, and I'd say that to anyone whose teen is taking them for granted in that way.
If you have other DCs why should their lives be ruled by that?

TaraR2020 · 26/12/2020 12:20

@Spittingchestnuts

Tbh I think the posts on here about coercive control and social services are a bit over the top.

I'm not saying this relationship is healthy at all, but these are relatively young teens, and as such the level of emotion involved will be high and the intensity enormous. As a parent of a teen (except when there is a serious health and safety issue) you are moving from direct management to life consultant and you need to tread carefully for fear of creating a "forbidden attraction" type scenario. It's very tedious that his mother seems to be encouraging this intensity or you could have had a private sensible chat with her about it.

How are his school grades btw? Is his academic work suffering?

In your shoes I would insist he eats and sleeps at home with you at least once or twice a week and pays proper attention to his studies. And although it's difficult currently with C-19, I would be inventing an errand you have to run in the car to collect heavy furniture which involves a couple of trips spread out over several weekends and where you need his help. (And yes I would buy furniture or car parts on eBay I didn't need if it necessary!)

During these expeditions I wouldn't refer to his girlfriend directly but I would talk about other stuff going on in his life (the music he likes,the sport he plays), and then I would talk about yourself and the healthy and non-healthy relationships you have had over the years. Explain the difference. How true friends enhance your life etc. Don't refer directly to his girlfriend.

Then ask him what he wants out of life, for his future, talk about your travel and university/college/work experiences you had after school. Talk to him about driving lessons ... . Throw in some fast food on the way back and make the trip fun , not argumentative. Do not let it get heated, keep it light.

End the trip(s) by emphasizing how much you have enjoyed his company, and how much you love him and think he is a great lad etc etc, and that you have trust in him to make good life decisions, but should he ever find that's he's in too deep with "anything" he can always use you as an excuse to extricate himself, and you are available to talk at any time.

And at some point (not on fun driving trip) have another talk with him (maybe his father could do this?) about sex and contraception and what pp said about having no control over the outcome of a potential pregnancy. (Call me old-fashioned but this situation is exactly why I don't encourage sex in this age group, not for prudish reasons, but because it's sometimes gets them in far too deep.)

Make home a fun place to be. If your ds comes back home and there are continual arguments about his relationship, you are giving him more reasons to return to his gf's house. Facilitate his sport, drive him there if you have to, (again not easy during Covid-19) but provide opportunities for him to hang out with his mates at home. Do interesting things together: let him have a go driving the car/cook the food he likes/watch the films he likes. Emphasize how much you love him and think he is great (even when you are inwardly combusting) and always be available to talk and mostly to listen (often late at night when you are just about to go to sleep yourself).

Good luck Flowers

Exactly this!

Also, I'd say that he needs to accept some family time as part of his family responsibilities (to this end, I hope he's keeping up with chores and if he doesn't have any maybe now is the right time under the guise of 'you are of the right age and need to learn how to do these things').
Making continuous plans with his gf are fine but he needs to csrve out family time too, maybe 1 day every fortnight.

Perhaps, as a compromise, she can come along too (to avoid unfair accusations against you) but he needs to learn that you don't drop your family just because you're in love.

Always be positive about his gf and positive and encouraging about his other interests too, like @Spittingchestnuts said.

Good luck, op!

tenredthings · 26/12/2020 12:26

My ds at a similar age had a girlfriend who had pathological jealousy ( look it up and see if it resonates ) it was a really destructive relationship and triggered a major depression in him. Just let him know you are there for him and hope, as with most young love, it is Intense but not very long lasting.

workworkworkugh · 27/12/2020 01:24

I just want to write down my thoughts here as it helps me to get them out as I don't have many people to talk to about this, like a diary of sorts.

We're having a beach day today and told him last night we'd really like him to come, no luck, he refused. Thinks it's boring and all we do is argue with him (not true) I said ok, we'll call a truce, no arguments as we want to have a really nice day, so he told me then we're just being fake.

He told me last night that all we do is have a go at him about everything, abuse him, he hates it here, never wants to be home, he does so much to help us out (😂), we don't take responsibility for how we treat him, and two years ago we borrowed some money from him as we were unexpectedly in a tough spot, we paid him back ASAP, but he brought that up saying he's the reason we kept our house (also not true at all) and he thinks we're shit parents for telling him to start paying for his phone and that he'll probably have to start paying for our other bills too 🙄 (on his one shift a week)

This kid just got the newest Xbox for Xmas that he requested, a very expensive sports top, he goes to a private catholic school that's costing us a fortune and does make the budget tight for us, we're his taxi to everywhere, we encourage and drive him all over for his sports that he loves because we want him to do what makes him happy.
I literally do not know the kid standing in front of me anymore.

So we left him at home and he went straight to the gf's. God know what he's telling her and her parents about us!

Thanks for letting me vent 😔

OP posts:
Sinful8 · 27/12/2020 04:08

Are you sure she doesn't have an account here with that xbox stance? Grin

Bikingbear · 27/12/2020 13:07

I don't really know how to respond to that but didn't want to read an run.

I'd be half tempted to tell him if he doesn't start showing some gratitude then the Xbox will be returned. But that could end up playing into her hands.

workworkworkugh · 27/12/2020 13:13

I'm guessing he's telling the gf and her mum how awful and strict we are because they've now given him a set of keys to their house

OP posts:
Bikingbear · 27/12/2020 13:37

I think a bit of tough love.
Sell the xbox and tell him if he spends more than one night a week at hers you'll no long pay for his education.

Spittingchestnuts · 27/12/2020 13:57

Don't worry at all about what he is telling others op. Anyone with half an ounce of common sense will interpret his pronouncements as immature bluster. The thing that is so exasperating though is that they themselves really believe it to be true!

There is no arguing with it imho. Their brains aren't fully developed until they are 25 years old and they can interpret thingsselfishly differently to us. I read somewhere that this is a crucial developmental stage which allows them to form their own individual characters. Some teens literally imho cannot see things from another person's pov. Or rather they will feel global injustices such as the plight of refugees very keenly and not see the irony when they come home and complain when you haven't cooked their favour dinner!

My teen is prone to mouthing off saying very unpleasant things to us and then will wander back in the room two minutes later and ask to borrow the sellotape as if nothing had happened. We are like Shock what just happened?!

I must admit we also have problems with the teen "negative filter" so when I say to my daughter "we are concerned that you are spending too much time on your phone" she hears "we hate you, you are a despicable person, we want to ruin your life". She also does the entitlement/over-optimistic assessment of her own contribution, having hoovered once for 20 mins in the last month (she's actually done much more than that recently but I'm using a past RL example).

I pick my battles but very occasionally I find it helpful writing my daughter an e-mail, trying to be as fair as possible, writing down why I said what I did, and how she responded. I always emphasize how much I love her (as it seems to be some teens default position that they are hated by everyone). Sometimes she replies, sometimes she doesn't. It's an interesting exercise.

The thing here op is to look at the long game. Parenting is a marathon not a sprint. These are all "normal" developmental quirks and he will come out the other side eventually. In the meantime you have to step back a bit, let him separate himself from you to an extent, but don't let him get away with all the fun bits of being more "adult" while shirking the responsibilities. So, for example, if he chooses to reject you and live somewhere else other than home, then you are not as available to help do his washing, drive him around, help him generally. Maybe he needs to think about giving some of his allowance to his hosts? Maybe not be as available answering his calls for lifts?

I also read somewhere that those teens most attached to their parents have the hardest fight (emotionally) to separate themselves off from them in order to become an individual in their own right. This might be the case for your son if he is very bonded to you. There are several ways teens separate themselves off from their parents: spending long periods alone in a bedroom, extreme bonding with friends, drugs and alcohol, or, in your case, literally moving away in to their gf's house!

It's painful but try and step back emotionally too. Get on with your own life. Don't be as emotionally available but emphasize you love him and are ready to talk at any time. After that, step back a bit. Don't allow yourself to be driven to distraction by him (although I recognise the feeling of shock and bewilderment when hormones "steal" the compliant, helpful, child you recognize and replace them with a defiant, ungrateful, ball of anger). He still needs you to be the stable rock in his life that he can kick against and launch off in to the world, even though he has you tearing your hair out currently.

I'm afraid you need to play act a lot as a parent of a defiant teen so even when you are shaking with inward rage and want to shout "you ungrateful know-it-all little sod" we must try and breathe, keep calm, tell them you love them, and let them make their own mistakes to a large degree, and act as back up support from a distance.

[If anyone who is reading this is horrified and thinks this interpretation is very unfair to teens then rest assured it is quite possible as a parent to love and admire and respect your teen with your whole heart, and appreciate all of their good qualities, while simultaneously feeling completely frustrated and overwhelmed by their mood swings, obstinacy and general chippiness. And if you think "gosh my child and I have a marvelous relationship and he/she would never behave that way towards me" then hang on to your hats because I thought that too! And if you have perfectly delightful helpful and compliant teens then bravo! Hats off to you!]

Sorry for the essay. Good luck op Flowers

dottiedodah · 27/12/2020 14:01

Spitting Chestnuts Excellent Advice !

blueleonburger · 27/12/2020 14:12

YANBU. My DH had a gf like this when he was a teen and lasted until his early twenties. He termed the relationship abusive. Being with friends and family is healthy for his emotional well-being and she needs to understand this. She sounds obsessed with him. I would just have a gentle heart to heart with your DS. No nasty words about his gf. I’d explore with your DS what he considers to be a healthy relationship, if he has any role models to look up to in this regard, and try and encourage him to set boundaries in a healthy way. If she doesn’t comply he will recognise this in himself and it’s only so long he can keep going like this. On the bright side it’ll be a good life lesson on what NOT to look for in a partner.

Nanny0gg · 27/12/2020 14:14

Our lives at the moment are dictated by his plans and where we have to take him to or pick him up from. He tells us what time to pick him up (from her house) and we get there and he still makes us wait.

He tells you??

Well that stops right now. You take him if you're free and if he's late coming out then you don't take him the next time

He's dictating all of this and that's the unhealthy part. I don't think it's all her fault.

Oblomov20 · 27/12/2020 14:17

"We're happy for him to spend time with her "

WTF? You shouldn't be! You should be teaching your son boundaries and self respect, and encouraging him to recognise that this isn't a healthy relationship and to finish with her.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 27/12/2020 14:23

'Our lives at the moment are dictated by his plans and where we have to take him to or pick him up from. He tells us what time to pick him up (from her house) and we get there and he still makes us wait.'

This all sounds awful op. Of course you don't want to push him away but don't be a door mat either.

Teens are like toddlers imo. They need boundaries, expectations pointing out and negotiating with.

So bargain with him. For example yes you'll pick him up but he needs to spend a designated afternoon with you. Don't ask, tell him. They of course take us for granted as we did our parents but you need to make him see it is give and take.

Comefromaway · 27/12/2020 14:28

This does sound a bit red flag.

Girls can be intense and full of drama. My 16 year old Ds has a girlfriend of around 10 months but he recognises the boundaries. For example last night he told her of an incredible opportunity he is going to apply for next year that would involve a residential summer school and she cried because she wouldn’t see him for 3 weeks. He made all the right noises but it won’t stop him applying. He sees her as often as possible within our Tier Rules & prioritises her over his mates (but only because he is trying to restrict socialising in general due to Covid). In the summer when rules were relaxed more he spent time with friends also.

She comes here and he goes to her house equally. He also spends a lot of time on his music (he plays piano) it does help that she is very studious and spends a lot of time studying for her exams.

I fully expect now he’s 16 for him to want to spend more time away from the family but he has to function as a member of the household. Ds makes it clear that when he’s doing something he won’t always answer his phone.

Timeforredwine · 27/12/2020 14:30

I think that if he were older & a serious relationship I would be worried but he would prob be more open to an adult conversation then, unfortunately young live is highly intense and nothing else matters, he sounds like a normal teenager in a first relationship. By all means make some rules but the more you push the more he may pull.

Timeforredwine · 27/12/2020 14:33

@Spittingchestnuts, this is spot on.

Timeforredwine · 27/12/2020 14:37

Also the closer you are the harder this is. I've had the same. You are the closest person to him so he feels he can rant at you. Dont worry he will be back and will realise your intentions were good and from the heart.

Tangledtresses · 27/12/2020 14:54

@Spittingchestnuts yes excellent advice all round!!! I have done this mostly through my eldest's teen years and I have really learnt that insisting spend time with you is odd

But I would definitely stop facilitating his easy journey, lifts here there and everywhere and the demands!! He is very much dictating the show and that's fine it's his life... but you don't have to kowtow to demands.... he's a big boy now and can get the bus or whatever
He will appreciate you letting go a bit, mine did 😃

DeRigueurMortis · 27/12/2020 15:16

OP it must be really difficult and I can understand why you are worried.

It doesn't sound at all healthy but at the same time it's not an uncommon situation.

Many teens in the throes of "first love" and raging hormones fall into this pattern.

Their feelings are new and powerful yet they have no prior experience against which to measure the appropriateness or over intensity of the relationships dynamic.

Trying to explain this to them won't work, they are simply far too emotionally invested.

DSD fell into this pattern with her first boyfriend at the same age. I can only describe it as she could only conceive of herself as part of this couple. Her entire sense of self worth and happiness was entirely centred around her BF.

Not seeing him, even for a few days left her distressed and depressed. They spoke/texted each other constantly on the rare occasions they weren't together.

Like you we encouraged her to see her friends, tried to do things as a family etc and she just wasn't interested.

Long story short after 9 months they "burnt out" quite spectacularly. The intensity of the relationship simply couldn't be sustained and as they both started to reconnect with others the accusations (both ways) started flying about, for example, how he/she didn't love each other one because they'd spent an hour independently with other friends or must fancy someone else because they'd spent 10 mins talking to another friend of the opposite sex.

The loving gushing texts turned to angry diatribes and eventually after a final huge row they split up and thankfully after a pause of 6 months her next relationship was on a much more healthy footing.

I guess what I'm saying is there's not that much you can do to make him realise the relationship is unhealthy. He's got to do that for himself.

That said you absolutely need to stop indulging him to the extent you are.

He doesn't get to dictate terms for the whole family. Fine if he doesn't want to go the beach but he doesn't (for example) get to cut your day short for you to act as a taxi.

Likewise when you pick him up he's expected to be on time. If he treats you like a taxi then your time is on the meter so to speak. If he's late then there are consequences (a cut in his allowance at standard taxi rates/you drive off and he makes his own way home/you won't pick him up next time he asks etc).

He needs to contribute to the household at that age so no chores, no taxi service.

He'll tell you you're being unfair and the worst parents ever. You might even get "I wish I'd never been born!".....they don't mean it.

Upshot is they know what your saying is not unreasonable. They don't get to have the privileges of being a young adult without the responsibilities but they can't admit that so the best "defence" is to go on the attack.

So put your foot down about him ruling the roost. Make the house rules clear about chores/lifts etc and don't even talk about his GF except in factual/non comital terms.

Good luck 🤞

Hawkins001 · 27/12/2020 15:23

The best advice I have is to let the situation run its course rather than risking pushing him away further, then in x months see how they are then ?

Onadifferentuniverse · 27/12/2020 15:28

I think the best thing to do is sit him down and ask if he’s happy?

Your life doesn’t stop when you’re in a relationship. Nobody should feel guilty for having a hobby or seeing their friends.
Sometimes we love people that aren’t right for us, you just need to make him understand this I suppose?