Cava - cavver or carver?

[StillCoughingandLaughing]

Just been on the phone to my mother, who was waxing lyrical about the lovely ‘cavver’ (Cava) she’s bought to go with Christmas lunch. I’ve always pronounced it ‘carver’, with a soft A, and that’s what I hear more often than not, but she’s not alone in her pronunciation, so I have a nagging doubt I could be wrong. Can I get the views of the MN jury?

YABU = Cavver with a hard A
YANBU = Carver with a soft A

And just to add, I'm from North West England and I pronounce carver and cava the same, without an audible 'r' in either.

@Myothercarisalsoshit

Actually, Chorizo comes from Spain AND Portugal (and much of the Spanish pork comes from the Portuguese Alentejo region - and they both pronounce it different ways. The Portuguese way is much more similar to the English pronunciation.

Cah-vah as someone else says above.

'cho - ree - tho'.
Please everyone read this and use it. It is not pronounced "chur-itz-zo"

You're all wrong!
It's 'caa-bah'.
It's from Catalonia and a v is pronounced with a b sound.

@Dahlietta

I didn't need to open this thread to know that there would be people going on about 'but there isn't an 'r' in it' . Is it really possible that there are people left on Mumsnet who haven't yet had the rhotic/non-rhotic discussion yet?

clearly not. I love the accusations of being pompous simply for being right. "Dr, my left foot hurts" "That's not actually your left foot, it's your appendix" "Well I call it my left foot"

Shampain
(Runs off)

I love the accusations of being pompous simply for being right.

But she ISN’T right! Any more than someone would be right to say Worcester should be pronounced ‘War-sesta’ because of the letters in it.

It’s Spanish so ca (like car without the r)and ah

Neither the. spanish or Portuguese way of pronouncing Chorizo has a T in it
I’m looking at you Gregg Wallace you twunt.

Cah-vah. Any pronunciation better than the yucky pro-seck-oh

Cava is literally the most simple thing to pronounce. 2 syllables with 2 basic sounds in each, CA VA.

Why is there a thread about this!!

Why is there a thread about this!!

Threads are both free and unlimited. If you have another topic you’d like to discuss, please begin one - you don’t have to make a case first

Why is there a thread about this!!

That's an easy one: Because the OP's mother pronounces it differently

Cava with a hard A (for apple) for both, if you want to pronounce it the Spanish way. But it's the same as latte, which people say lar-tay which grinds my gears.

@Elfiethegreat

Cava is literally the most simple thing to pronounce. 2 syllables with 2 basic sounds in each, CA VA.

Why is there a thread about this!!

If this writing/speaking English malarkey is so easy that there shouldn't be a thread, let me ask you this - why do you need 'literally' in your first sentence, and why's it not 'simplest' rather than 'most simple'?

@Elfiethegreat

Cava is literally the most simple thing to pronounce. 2 syllables with 2 basic sounds in each, CA VA.

Why is there a thread about this!!

And what is a “basic sound”? That is meaningless thing to say. Vowels and consonants change their sounds all the time in English, depending on all sorts of things.

With two short a sounds?

Yes, of course. It's not difficult for an English speaker to say Cabba.

All the endless posts with is it carvar? omg.

I have to leave the thread now. i can't cope with the idiocy.

www.pronouncekiwi.com/Cava%20wine

I've always pronounced it with 2 hard a's - which might be the Scouse in me - although I saw a documentary where a Cava producer pronounced it the same way.

The point is surely that the OP’s examples are confusing because many people in the U.K. don’t put extra r’s in words.

To me it is cahvuh same as lava as I have a South Pennines Northern accent. I am aware there are parts of the country that say carver but that is different to how I say it. Uh and er are different sounds. Ah and ar are different sounds.

So neither of the OP’s examples nor mine are ‘right’ - they are all just different pronunciations.

@museumum

Cahvah - no “r” anywhere

This, I have no idea how your original two options sound different to each other!

I am from Yorkshire, I went to visit a friend in London last year and ordered a latte from one of those Artisan places. Wanker Barista said “ do you mean a laarrrrrtay?”. I gave him a small lecture on the meaning and providence of the word latte.

I say car-var which is how we all pronounce round here but in Spanish it would be ca-va like the a in cat

@BonnesVacances

Cava with a hard A (for apple) for both, if you want to pronounce it the Spanish way. But it's the same as latte, which people say lar-tay which grinds my gears.

Came here to say this. It’s a Spanish word and that long aaa (or aar if you’re English, I guess) doesn’t exist in Spanish. Cava. Flat, short A on both syllables.

Except of course the v would also b a b so it would be ca-ba lol