To ask about JK Rowling - can someone tell me what happened?

[christmaspigeon]

Just that really. I like her. I like how she gives so much for charity and how she put Trump in his place, but I know people's views on her have changed. Something to do with trans comments?? Can someone explain (in really simple language!) what happened? Thank you!

Hard questions old crone. Hard questions

@midgebabe

But you are being asked to talk not to the brick walls but to the lurkers

I do. I've given up on the brick walls (apart from the occasional kick myself for biting moments lol) I KNOW lurkers can fall either way (fall for want of a better expression before anyone starts) Which is why I still daft enough to carry on.

@Elfinghecking

I guess we all read the same info, tweets, essays whatever and interpret that info for ourselves. I’ve made my mind up based on that, other posters have made their minds up. And the OP, probably sensibly, has fled the thread.

Exactly! Same If the OP was genuinely asking no doubt they've done a runner by now lol

But you haven't carried on. You haven't said anything , just flounced a bit

Depends on whether people go out and read for themselves.

Yes, anyone wanting to learn more about this would benefit from reading the things JKR has actually written rather than skipping them and nodding along to "JKR writes so many transphobic things it's too exhausting to justify how terrible she is".

But does anyone one on here think Jkr is transphobic ?

Yes, anyone wanting to learn more about this would benefit from reading the things JKR has actually written rather than skipping them and nodding along to "JKR writes so many transphobic things it's too exhausting to justify how terrible she is"

Completely agree.

Where have I flounced?
I'm still here.

‘ But does anyone one on here think Jkr is transphobic?’

Go read the threads.

Do you think she is elfinghecking ?

You can flounce without leaving the room
Grand sweeping statement billowing around, full of air and no content

Reading some of my old usernames from a few years ago the other day I was surprised how GC I was)

I know four of your old usernames, which one?

Lol midge. True

@justanotherneighinparadise

She refused to capitulate to bullies.

This

I know four of your old usernames

Ooh
Now intrigued Sherlock
Bet none of them are my "GC" ones although I won't be surprised at one but will still give you kudos for mentioning it if you can remember it

You having a seeming about turn and thinking it's OK to send dick pics at late teen age, they're just kids, that surprises me and I thought I'd seen it all on these threads.

See I wouldn't say its 'ok' really. However, from my reading of that part of the convo, it appeared the person who brought it up was talking about 'consensual dick pics'? While I don't really think anyone should send dick pics tbh, its none of my business, unless its another random one showing in my inbox, or to my family, OR if its an adult stranger (or not stranger in some cases, just adult) sending them to children. I do think there is a world apart in sending requested dick/nude pics between same age teens or something, and some creep sending out random ones to all and sundry (including children)

The "wimbund" tweet is Schrodinger's tweet.

For some people it's transphobic, that tweet is the direct quote. For others it isn't, they want more evidence of transphobia. Jk wrote her defence of her position - for some a "doubling down" on what they perceived as a transphobic tweet in the first place. Therefore for those people, more transphobia. For others the essay represents a vindication, they're satisfied further that she is not transphobic. Her statements of support for the trans community ring true for her supporters, for those on the other side they sound like "I'm not transphobic BUT". Still each camp feels like they are "right".

If asked where I stand, I see it as a spectrum and I sit somewhere along it.

If you don't think you want to argue that case because there are lots of people here who don't share your view, ask yourself why it's so difficult.

I have genuinely never understood this point. I used to be a forum where there were a LOT of 'pro-lifers' (I tedn to prefer 'forced birthers though) and whenever the opic came up, there was a almighty shitstorm and I had 20 people replying to each of my posts. However, I cannot really imagine thinking 'oh, too many are replying to me, best just leave it' or feeling silenced or anything, because I have a minority opinion. I could argue my corner quite easily as I totally believed in my view, no matter how many others disagreed. I find this on a few topics, where I have minority opinions. I have seen others state having a minority opinion makes them MORE likely to argue, but seemingly, on this lone topic..questions and replies = hounding and one must instead just deflect instead of answering, or leave. Its bizarre.

Also, not even that long ag MN was very TWAW, and the GC posters did not 'give in' so to speak, ad huff about that others disagreed with them and this means there is no point even talking about the topic. They did not claim that many disagreeing with them meant they were being silenced, they did not resort to flat our refusing to answer posts because 'its pointless'. If they had just disappeared and refused to talk about it, I don't think MN would have been quite so important in this fight really. Its only by engaging that you can potentially change minds. Noone is going to read 'oh X is a bigoted view but I am not explaining why' and be convinced.

On Mumsnet she’s viewed as a hero.
Anyone who knows trans men and women in the real world, particularly younger people, is not such a fan. Most of them don’t join discussions on the feminist boards as they’ve become something of an echo chamber and they will just get rounded on.
It’s all become very nasty and incendiary on Twitter, etc from both ‘sides’ and she’s been demonised beyond what she actually did/said. The right wing press has adopted the GC line. The left wing press is more supportive of trans rights. It’s all become very binary (forgive the pun).

Healthy dialogues are happening outside of social media. It’s a shame the pubs have closed,

On a spikey fence. Biffbaff.

Yet nowhere

I can't stand J K Rowling. When she says anything it's always a case of oh well she would say that wouldn't she. Such a 'Type'.

The "wimbund" tweet is Schrodinger's tweet
Ha ha ha.
Anything remotely Schrodingery will not stand a chance in a libel case.

But billi77

Never sure what rights trans people don’t have

Care to expand

I am a younger person

Care to expand

I am a younger person

Oh, give over,
'Cos young people are stoopid innit

The right wing press has adopted the GC line. The left wing press is more supportive of trans rights.
You make it look like as if lefties don’t support trans rights. We absolutely do. We just don’t want to give up our rights to our lives. Trans women need their rights. Women need theirs. As simple as that.