To ask about JK Rowling - can someone tell me what happened?

[christmaspigeon]

Just that really. I like her. I like how she gives so much for charity and how she put Trump in his place, but I know people's views on her have changed. Something to do with trans comments?? Can someone explain (in really simple language!) what happened? Thank you!

"If a poster really believed this then they would have no problem writing the words on this thread ?"

Believing something and being able to show evidence for the belief are not always the same thing.

For instance, several million people in the USA seem to believe that Trump was the victim of election fraud, but providing actual evidence seems to be rather more difficult for them to do; in fact, cases about it have all except one been thrown out of court for lack of evidence.

As far as I know the only actual evidence of election fraud that has so far got as far as a court case concerns an individual in Pennsylvania who provably obtained a ballot for his dead mother and used it as well as his own. They both voted for Trump.

Yeah I think I worded that badly

I really meant evidence. Not believing

Quaagars
Would quote but seems they've disabled quote function.

The quote function doesn't allow quoting of a post which contains a quotation; you have to copy-and-paste as in the old days before they added the quote function. I have done that here because I only wanted to reply to one sentence of your post.

@littlbrowndog

Yeah I think I worded that badly

I really meant evidence. Not believing

I think the problem is that people really do believe it, but cannot provide actual evidence. Same boat as a Trump followers.

Yes

JKR but donating to charity doesn’t make anyone immune to criticism. Michael Jackson gave loads to charity, Jimmy Saville raised tons of money for charity

That is pretty outrageous - to compare Ms Rowling with male child sexual abusers. Really low.

It is a criminal offence to send death threats and nothing to do with the libel which is what we were discussing.
This is part of the narrative. Any side building a libel case will use this as part of narrative and they should too. They are the aggrieved party so this will form part of the libel, showing how lies and accusations led to death threats eventually.

The argument will be this: If you play with fire, you shouldn’t complain when it burns your hands. You should have known better than inciting something that led to this eventually.

@TheBuffster ok now we're over 800 and still no one has explained what JKR is supposed to have done wrong to make her a hate figure.

I think you suggested there'd be cake now? I'm here for cake.

I'm also here for not sterilizing gender non-conforming children. Breaking gender norms is great. Telling gender nonconforming children they're actually the opposite sex and need medical treatment is terrible. JKR is right about that, and about all the other things she's said.

That is pretty outrageous - to compare Ms Rowling with male child sexual abusers. Really low

Where is it comparing though?
It does nothing of the sort - it's just saying that donating to charity doesn't make anyone immune from criticism.

I would say it was suggesting that there was a link between JK and the criminals

It's possible after all to say that you aren't above critisism even if you donate to charity without mentioning anyone, or by mentioning someone like bill gates. To pick on sex offenders seems a bit off really

Quaagers. Do you think JK is transphobic ?

@Thewithesarehere

The argument will be this: If you play with fire, you shouldn’t complain when it burns your hands. You should have known better than inciting something that led to this eventually.

That should probably get the same attention paid to it in a court of law as "if you marry a violent man, it's your fault when he breaks your arm because you burned the toast."

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime
By the time we reach that argument, the case will be long over. I wrote that as an example of the narrative that will develop as a result of a libel case.

Quaagers. Do you think JK is transphobic ?

Yet another question that we will never get an answer to

I might not agree fully with your interpretation of it, but at least we can agree it's worth a read

We can. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Just popping back on here to see whether anyone had addressed the list of questions collated by TheBuffster yet. Alas, it seems not. Nor any direct quotes from JKR evidencing any transphobia.

For any lurkers still on this thread, the lack of the anti-JKR crew to answer any questions is very much typical.

If you would like to see a thread where some questions were actually addressed by a trans rights activist, I suggest you have a read of the following recent discussion (which came to 1000 posts):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4104554-Can-someone-please-explain-trans

It's not on JKR specifically but it does delve into a number of the issues raised by this subject.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Perhaps someone could explain some of JKR's alleged dog-whistles if it is not possible to provide direct quotes?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I might not agree fully with your interpretation of it, but at least we can agree it's worth a read

We can. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

We can indeed, Merry Christmas

For any lurkers still on this thread, the lack of the anti-JKR crew to answer any questions is very much typical

Yes, as has been said repeatedly people have learnt there's literally no point talking to brick walls.
It's like trying to reason with the sandwich board people in town shouting "dooooooooooom" there's no point lol

But you are being asked to talk not to the brick walls but to the lurkers

For those posters who thought this thread would be a good opportunity to get the message out there that JKR says transphobic things, do you think that you succeeded? Do you think those reading this thread nodded along and said to themselves "that JKR, she is such a transphobe"?

It's literally a whole thread with hundreds of posts begging you to explain what transphobic things JK Rowling has said.

And you're like nope, shan't, I know you're not really listening, there's no point, it's too exhausting, why do you expect me to do the work, you just won't get it.

Yes, as has been said repeatedly people have learnt there's literally no point talking to brick walls.

I'm confused. You're being asked to answer questions such as :
Do you think JK Rowling is transphobic?
and
What did she say in her essay that you thought was transphobic?

You're not being asked to talk to brick walls. You're being asked to answer questions because people are interested in your answers. Brick walls don't ask questions. (If you think brick walls are asking you questions, that's another matter.)

I guess we all read the same info, tweets, essays whatever and interpret that info for ourselves. I’ve made my mind up based on that, other posters have made their minds up. And the OP, probably sensibly, has fled the thread.

For those posters who thought this thread would be a good opportunity to get the message out there that JKR says transphobic things, do you think that you succeeded?

Depends on whether people go out and read for themselves.
On here, you're going to get a "GC" skewed viewpoint.
(Which is where I started off on this topic)
Although I read from all other angles too and not just took for granted what I saw on here.
(Reading some of my old usernames from a few years ago the other day I was surprised how GC I was) but on the other hand I was only going by stuff on here I was responding to.
Now read both "sides" for want of a better word since then.
Also, yes, I do think it succeeded - only because you have to make up your own mind where it falls, what is fine and what falls beyond.
I still think it's a good idea for everyone to read what she put.