To ask about JK Rowling - can someone tell me what happened?

[christmaspigeon]

Just that really. I like her. I like how she gives so much for charity and how she put Trump in his place, but I know people's views on her have changed. Something to do with trans comments?? Can someone explain (in really simple language!) what happened? Thank you!

Or perhaps they've engaged loads in the past with you and know by now there's literally no point?

Backatcha. Merry Christmas

Actually I have just checked and the burden of proof in the UK is on the defendant.

Can you explain what kind of legal case you're talking about, Bella?

Radcliffe: I'm every woman, it's all on youuu..
Chorus: To prove I'm not one. Oh, oh, oh.
Radcliffe: I can cast a spell...

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Actually I have just checked and the burden of proof in the UK is on the defendant.

Can you explain what kind of legal case you're talking about, Bella?

What do you think?

Are the trans people who agree with JK transphobic? Because some do. Seems to be those with more life experience and experience living as transgender, from what I can see, too. Not all trans people are in favour of self-id, or sanguine about the sudden epidemic of unhappy young girls identifying as male.

You’ve got all of this arse about face, bella. If JKR takes, for example Pop Bollocks or whatever the site was called that meanspirited link posted upthread was, to court saying “they have libelled me and damanged my reputation by saying I’m transphobic”, then they’re going to have to demonstrate her transphobia to mount a defence.

Do you understand that? If yes, what, in your opinion, would they use? Which of her words, as she wrote them, would they use to demonstrate her hatred or fear of trans people? It’s kind of the whole point of this thread, and 700 posts in, we’re no closer to an answer.

@SophocIestheFox

You’ve got all of this arse about face, bella. If JKR takes, for example Pop Bollocks or whatever the site was called that meanspirited link posted upthread was, to court saying “they have libelled me and damanged my reputation by saying I’m transphobic”, then they’re going to have to demonstrate her transphobia to mount a defence.

Do you understand that? If yes, what, in your opinion, would they use? Which of her words, as she wrote them, would they use to demonstrate her hatred or fear of trans people? It’s kind of the whole point of this thread, and 700 posts in, we’re no closer to an answer.

You will never get any answer on this sort of space. So I have always imagined this to be settled in a court of law one day. That is the only way to put an end to this.

@SophocIestheFox

You’ve got all of this arse about face, bella. If JKR takes, for example Pop Bollocks or whatever the site was called that meanspirited link posted upthread was, to court saying “they have libelled me and damanged my reputation by saying I’m transphobic”, then they’re going to have to demonstrate her transphobia to mount a defence.

Do you understand that? If yes, what, in your opinion, would they use? Which of her words, as she wrote them, would they use to demonstrate her hatred or fear of trans people? It’s kind of the whole point of this thread, and 700 posts in, we’re no closer to an answer.

Why are you expecting me to argue their case .It would be for their lawyers to do that if she decided to take them to court.

‘Because you will be standing in front of a court of law after Rowling takes you to court for slurring her brand. So imagine you are a big name in TWAW movement, imagine Rowling too you to court on libel and told the judge that you called her a transphobe when she really is not. The judge turned to you and asked did you say that? You say yes I did. The judge asked why did you say that?‘

Christ, someone needs to step away from the Xmas Sherry

@Elfinghecking

‘Because you will be standing in front of a court of law after Rowling takes you to court for slurring her brand. So imagine you are a big name in TWAW movement, imagine Rowling too you to court on libel and told the judge that you called her a transphobe when she really is not. The judge turned to you and asked did you say that? You say yes I did. The judge asked why did you say that?‘

Christ, someone needs to step away from the Xmas Sherry

Bit low insinuating that a poster debating in good faith is drunk...

This thread is proving to be more informative than ever now

Or merry...or tipsy Obvs

I’ve never been that impressed by the level of debate from the “JKR is eeeeeeevil” side of things, but this is silly even by the low standards usually set.

This has always intrigued me too melisande. Anytime transpeople who disagree that Joanne Rowling is transphobic and have expressed concern about medicalising young people, the answer is always the same. They are denigrated and abused like the rest of us. It makes no sense.

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer I’d rather people think I’d been on the sauce than have them think I’d come out with something THAT ridiculous sober

So I have always imagined this to be settled in a court of law one day. That is the only way to put an end to this

Well, yes.
How can anyone on here decide what is and isn't?
Transphobia means different things to everyone - people no doubt think me saying that you cannot biologically change sex is transphobic, even if I see trans women as women, and trans men as men.
(No I can't even be arsed with "define woman" I mean it's Boxing Day and I've got a shit ton of mince pies to eat and I need more wine lol)
It'd come down to what the judge thinks.
I've read JK's essay, I think it's a lot more complicated than people are making out and "ooh, there's nothing problematic in there!" is but then people need to read for themselves and see what they think.

elf 🙂

You go low and I’ll......erm well to be fair I’m fucking useless at going high so I’ll just sit in the middle

Jk is a true philanthropist

Her charity lumos she pays all the vat , administrative rent and workers fees so any money donated goes straight to where it is needed

To the children

She also funds research into MS
millions of pounds

I am very sad that people denigrate her and slur her and send her such hate on various platforms

She is not transphobic in any way

It really is that simple

SophocIestheFox
In her shoes I’d devote a tiny part of my fortune to finding each and every person who posted a picture of his penis on the Ickabog threads and get some private prosecutions going for malicious communications.

Might those also come under indecent exposure, which is "exposing the genitals with the intention of causing alarm or distress"? It is an offence of ‘specific intent’ which means that in order to qualify as indecent exposure it must be demonstrable that the act was done intentionally, but I don't see how one could claim one posted a picture of one's dick to a thread for children by accident.

From lumos charity website

Across the world many families face poverty, conflict or a lack of support to care for children. Placing their children in orphanages or other institutions can seem like the only possible solution, with the promise of better education, healthcare and food security. These promises are rarely fulfilled. Children separated from their families become trapped and vulnerable; deprived of the love and attention of a family, harming their development and future.

Lumos was founded by J K Rowling to illuminate a path for children living in harmful orphanages and other institutions, to a brighter future. By tackling the causes of family separation – poverty, abuse, domestic violence and disability discrimination - children can be united with loving families where they can thrive and be supported to reach their full potential.

And to post pictures of dicks or violent threats on a Twitter feed for children.

Really.

Why has this not been condemned widely ?

If transphobia means different things to different people how could you ever prove something was or wasn't transphobic?
And how could any of us hand on heart say they weren't transphobic, after all, some people somewhere would always have a version you violated?

This smug, read the essay, I'm superior because I can read between the lines stuff is getting old.
My degree's in literature, literally reading between the lines. I once read Dracula from a point of view that the Oscar Wilde trial affects the whole plot on an unconscious level. I could give you quotes to back up this radical reading, but I'd have failed my degree if I'd have written. Stoker was clearly homophobic, it's all there in the text, but you (examiner) have to find it yourself as I'm tired of pointing it out and it's a very long book.
By the way, I don't fully buy this theory but I had to academically explore it before I offered my alternative.
Gosh, how simple life would've been if I could have just laid out my reading without evidence and left it at that.
I imagine law works much in the same way, so am genuinely baffled by people believing they can change minds with feels.

I didn't understand why you would say 'people that menstruate' when only womens bodies can menstruate. Transmen may feel male but they have a womens body and as long as they menstruate their body is still that of a woman even if it is the wrong body for them. I doubt transmen would even want the fact they menstruate being drawn attention to so it's all very bizarre to me.