To ask about JK Rowling - can someone tell me what happened?

[christmaspigeon]

Just that really. I like her. I like how she gives so much for charity and how she put Trump in his place, but I know people's views on her have changed. Something to do with trans comments?? Can someone explain (in really simple language!) what happened? Thank you!

@queenofknives
Sigh, pretty easy to find if you google... but just a few examples can be found here.

www.popbuzz.com/life/lgbtq/jk-rowling-transphobic-twitter-harry-potter/

@sineadactually tweeted: "so does JK Rowling just exclusively follow anti-trans activists these days or what? here are her last 6 follows" alongside a screenshot proving J.K. has recently followed trans hate groups including the LGB Alliance and transphobic journalists such as Helen Joyce on Twitter.

@TheBuffster

You know what's ridiculous. Not being able to provide concrete evidence of transphobia and tying yourselves in knots to make your ideology float. This thread alone is full of contradictions with no one being able to give a straight answer.

www.popbuzz.com/life/lgbtq/jk-rowling-transphobic-twitter-harry-potter/

@TheBuffster

Do we now have to be actively championing trans people to be considered not transphobic. What a lot of nonsense you talk. Apart from the fact she has a close trans friendship you mean? Is that not enough? Should she donate all profits to mermaids. It'd help if you could actually articulate what you actually want people to do to be 'supportive'.

I wonder how her trans friends felt when her Twitter showed her following trans hate groups?

If she's "clearly transphobic" it shouldn't be difficult to find some examples. Why not just quote a few? @MorganKitten

She has said many times she knows and is friends with trans people, and that she supports trans rights. She famously tweeted that she supports people's right to 'identify how you choose'. She also talks about her support for trans rights in her essay - not sure what you mean by 'mock apology'?

Show me examples of her supporting trans people, but don't show me the example where she explicitly supports trans people.
Ok, that makes about as much sense as anything else in this ideology.
So you wont give evidence of her transphobia?
Im shocked. Not.

I'm not assuming anyone would attack someone because they're a transwoman. I'm acknowledging it's a greater possibility because they're men.

This. Why does anyone believe just because a male person says they identify as the opposite sex, this suddenly means they will never pose a risk to women? We exclude men, but we can't exclude a man who says their gender is not that of man? That on its own would be sexism, some people of the male sex can go into the womens, but others can't? I can guarantee you if the law lets a male who identifies as the opposite sex use the womens facilities, enter womens sports etc, there will be a man who will fight that in court for discrimination.

One of those tweets says biological sex is fact. This is exactly the problem with the argument. Have you listened to yourself? My son can't talk but knows he has a willy. Is he transphobic too now? Tbh say this point with the bile she's faced from ignorant people it's amazing she hasn't got nasty. That's why she is so much better than the haters.

@queenofknives

If she's "clearly transphobic" it shouldn't be difficult to find some examples. Why not just quote a few? *@MorganKitten*

She has said many times she knows and is friends with trans people, and that she supports trans rights. She famously tweeted that she supports people's right to 'identify how you choose'. She also talks about her support for trans rights in her essay - not sure what you mean by 'mock apology'?

I gave you the link

@Blubellsarebells

Show me examples of her supporting trans people, but don't show me the example where she explicitly supports trans people. Ok, that makes about as much sense as anything else in this ideology. So you wont give evidence of her transphobia? Im shocked. Not.

The link is posted above.

Apologies, I can't get into that "popbuzz" article as it just keeps flashing up ads and then disappearing.

But from your quote - you do realise that LGB alliance are a campaign group for gay rights, not a hate group? And Helen Joyce is a journalist? I suppose if you just say X is transphobic, then you can claim anyone who supports/talks to X is also transphobic. But unfortunately that will only work if you're not lying about X in the first place.

Morgankitten, LGBAlliance is an organisation based purely around same sex attraction. This means they are seen as anti trans because they will not fight for transrights as their goal is to fight for LGB rights. So people say they are transphobic.
Same applies for womens groups like Fair Play for Women, who fight exclusively for womens rights and therefore not for the right to claim the female sex when you are male.

But trans groups who fight exclusively for transrights, the right to claim rights not meant for you, are ok? Why?

Ok, so let’s look at LGB Alliance. They were founded because they felt that the likes of stonewall had lost interest in supporting lesbian gay and bisexual people, and all the efforts were focused on trans issues. So they set up a group to campaign on LGB issues.

If it’s “transphobic” for them to organise without including trans people, because LGBT issues need to be addressed holistically, shouldn’t it then follow that it’s homophobic for organisations like Mermaids, Gires, Gendered Intelligence, Press for Change to organise without representing gay and lesbian people?

How is it different?

Another non menstruating woman here. I am not offended by the word woman used to describe people who menstruate.

Theyre men who are happy to cross womens boundaries.
Disregard our comfort and dignity for their own needs and sometimes to force us to be involved in their fetish behaviour.
I would think its perfectly reasonable to be wary of men who do those things.
More than the average man who doesnt do those things.
I doubt these men care if we're 'phobic' I rather suspect that is the whole point in some cases.

@Passmeabottlemrjones

If its transphobic to say that you cannot change sex, that women need access to certain single sex spaces and that experimenting on children with unlicensed drugs is possibly not a good idea, then yes, she is totes transphobic. 1

Yes, in that case, colour me transphobic too.

In reality though - I am not transphobic in any way, and I’ve not seen any evidence that JK is either. I believe all people should be able to wear what they like and live as they wish without fear or discrimination. That includes women and their biologically based need to name and organise themselves as such, and the sex segregated spaces needed by them . Because they are oppressed due to their biology.

When something is this simple, it makes you wonder why the desperate need to obfuscate it. Almost as though women are an oppressed group being... further oppressed. The method of doing so has mutated again, but it’s the same old.

No @MorganKitten you gave a link to a dodgy gossip website where JK's follows are talked about/slandered as transphobic.

You haven't provided ANY evidence of JK's transphobic comments, even though you claim to have an abundance of such evidence. Just give me the quotes.

Just give me ONE quote.

Honestly the most appalling journalism since the daily star.

So none of you read her book The Silkworm? It uses insulting trope about trans women, they are aggressive and unable to overcome their masculine nature, not to mention villainous. And the joy one character has in hinting they will get raped in prison.

British writer and trans woman Shon Faye who said it best when she tweeted, “Trans culture is seeing the beloved author of your generation like a transphobic tweet from a troll account which has repeatedly called you a man” before sharing a screenshot of that account harassing her for being trans.

@queenofknives

No *@MorganKitten* you gave a link to a dodgy gossip website where JK's follows are talked about/slandered as transphobic.

You haven't provided ANY evidence of JK's transphobic comments, even though you claim to have an abundance of such evidence. Just give me the quotes.

Just give me ONE quote.

Read above

Those who mention her essay - did you read it?
Maybe this article will help you understand a bit more
inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

I think my copy of the Silkworm is a very different one from yours. Mine had a sympathetically portrayed trans character in it.

A question, morgan, if you don’t mind. Do you think it is helpful to the cause to make “transphobia” so wide ranging that it’s lost all its meaning? Is there any way for you to assume any positive intent at all for JKR, or is she just cast out forever because she disagrees with your worldview?

But I’m not going to get drawn into it anymore - I’ve seen enough to know she’s transphobic as have many people who have been hurt by her actions and comments.

@MorganKitten, so your belief she's transphobic comes from the fact that JKR said biological sex is real. So in fact, not transphobic just has a view you disagree with and have decided is transphobic. Just so we're clear.

@SophocIestheFox

I think my copy of the Silkworm is a very different one from yours. Mine had a sympathetically portrayed trans character in it.

A question, morgan, if you don’t mind. Do you think it is helpful to the cause to make “transphobia” so wide ranging that it’s lost all its meaning? Is there any way for you to assume any positive intent at all for JKR, or is she just cast out forever because she disagrees with your worldview?

Nope same copy, the mention of her hiding her hands and still being masculine and the ‘prison won’t be nice for you, not pre op’.

As someone who supports my fellow lgbtq community and have seen the hurt she’s caused.... I can’t support her or buy her products anymore.

[quote BrumBoo]@MorganKitten, so your belief she's transphobic comes from the fact that JKR said biological sex is real. So in fact, not transphobic just has a view you disagree with and have decided is transphobic. Just so we're clear.[/quote]
No, It’s from her following transphobic people and liking doxing comments as mentioned before.