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To ask about JK Rowling - can someone tell me what happened?

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christmaspigeon · 23/12/2020 17:11

Just that really. I like her. I like how she gives so much for charity and how she put Trump in his place, but I know people's views on her have changed. Something to do with trans comments?? Can someone explain (in really simple language!) what happened? Thank you!

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Thisusernameistakenagain · 24/12/2020 15:58

Ignore above. I've found out about Richard Galbraith.

SpiderGwen · 24/12/2020 16:02

@Quaagars

Its not irrational to be scared of men

Well, you have your opinion and I have mine, I think it is so we'll just have to leave it there then otherwise we'll be spending Xmas Eve going "yes it is, no it's not" Smile

Of my female friends, 9 (that I know of) have been raped; every single one sexually assaulted, some seriously; all of us sexually harassed - especially when young and working in low status jobs. 3 have escaped violent relationships and 4 had violent fathers/stepfathers.

Women learn to be wary of men because the violent ones don’t come with flashing signs.

Transwomen offend in similar patterns to other males. So no, they are not welcome in my single sex spaces.

Not even the recreational ones, as allowing them in means my 4 devout Muslim friends couldn’t join in at the Women Only swimming sessions anymore.

SunsetBeetch · 24/12/2020 16:04

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SunsetBeetch · 24/12/2020 16:13

@Thisusernameistakenagain

Ignore above. I've found out about Richard Galbraith.
His name was Robert Galbraith Heath,and the accusations are nonsense according to somebody who actually researched the man:

twitter.com/rcolvile/status/1270794437967392771?s=20

"I can’t believe this has to be said, but here we go.

In 2013,
@jk_rowling
published her first book as Robert Galbraith.

In 2016, I published this on Robert Galbraith Heath, a US psychiatrist who (among much else) tried to invent a gay cure.

mosaicscience.com/story/gay-cure-experiments/

1/2"

"We called it one of the ‘great forgotten stories of neuroscience’ because everyone had forgotten it.
@jk_rowling
did not choose her pseudonym out of homophobia or insensitivity. She could not have known about this guy - who everyone called Robert Heath anyway, or just Bob. 2/2"

"Seriously though it is an insane story and you should definitely read it - one of the best pieces of journalism I ever did. But please, people, get some perspective."

"And yes the person who originally tweeted the connection did so light-heartedly. But some are genuinely taking it seriously which boggles the mind."

SophocIestheFox · 24/12/2020 16:14

That’s really interesting, tartrazine, thanks for explaining that.

queenofknives · 24/12/2020 16:18

I love JKR. She's amazingly brave. The abuse she got this year was unbelievably disgusting, misogynist and violent - the Sun newspaper even put her abusive ex-husband on the front page, bragging about how he'd slapped her - which of course was exactly what people on twitter felt she deserved. And all this abuse was for expressing her opinion that women's shelters, refuges, prisons should be single-sex, and that we shouldn't be giving hardcore experimental drugs to children. Opinions which virtually no sensible person would disagree with.

People saying she's made transphobic comments NEVER EVER provide proof of those comments. They can't, because it doesn't exist. For some reason though, it doesn't seem to stop them. Facts don't matter when you are busy trying to destroy a woman, I guess.

iguanadonna · 24/12/2020 16:19

The reason no-one will give any examples of the wicked transphobic things she's said is that this is the main one. See attached tweet screenshot, but be warned - it's not for the faint hearted.

To ask about JK Rowling - can someone tell me what happened?
iguanadonna · 24/12/2020 16:22

It was made in support of Maya Forstater, who was indeed forced out of her job for saying that sex is real.

mforstater.medium.com/five-myths-and-truths-about-my-case-8466d69f9489

LexMitior · 24/12/2020 16:24

So a statement of fact? Can facts be transphobic?

queenofknives · 24/12/2020 16:26

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iguanadonna · 24/12/2020 16:28

@LexMitior I suppose if you're desperate to believe something that isn't true, and think that your well-being depends on everyone else seeming to believe it too, then reality would feel hateful.

Biffbaff · 24/12/2020 16:30

Well, yeah. This women vs trans women debate is a total game of vulnerability one-upmanship. It's unwinnable when everyone thinks they're the worse-off victim.

Assuming that anyone trans is going to attack you and excluding them on that basis IS transphobic. Stop pretending it isn't - own it if that's what you think.

Biffbaff · 24/12/2020 16:33

Above comment was in response to @oldlang

BrumBoo · 24/12/2020 16:33

@LexMitior

So a statement of fact? Can facts be transphobic?
My husband couldn't understand why I kept saying he was being 'transphobic' when he questioned what gender was. You cannot question anything, there's #nodebate. Questions are transphobic.

As a sidenote, it reminds me of this (if it attaches).

To ask about JK Rowling - can someone tell me what happened?
To ask about JK Rowling - can someone tell me what happened?
MorganKitten · 24/12/2020 16:35

[quote BrumBoo]@MorganKitten what did she say that was transphobic?[/quote]
I’m not going to get into another long discussion, but liking tweets by well know transphobic people, who have doxed and dead named trans women and then blaming it on ‘not understanding how Twitter works’ was ridiculous and an effort to hide her transphobia for several years.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/12/2020 16:36

@BrumBoo, thanks for that. I've seen it before but had forgotten it. Powerful stuff.

BrumBoo · 24/12/2020 16:36

@MorganKitten that's not answering the question. What did she herself say that was transphobic?

BrumBoo · 24/12/2020 16:39

[quote Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]@BrumBoo, thanks for that. I've seen it before but had forgotten it. Powerful stuff.[/quote]
It is. It's a very clear explanation for those who becry 'but how does it affect you??' when talking about the gender debate.

Biscuitsanddoombar · 24/12/2020 16:40

Trans women are excluded from women only spaces because they are biological men and for safe guarding reasons we exclude men from women only spaces because men attack women, not at all men by a long chalk but enough, and we have no idea which men are lovely and which are going to attack us until it happens. So we manage the risk by excluding all men whether they present as male or female

OldLang · 24/12/2020 16:42

@Biffbaff

Well, yeah. This women vs trans women debate is a total game of vulnerability one-upmanship. It's unwinnable when everyone thinks they're the worse-off victim.

Assuming that anyone trans is going to attack you and excluding them on that basis IS transphobic. Stop pretending it isn't - own it if that's what you think.

I'm not assuming anyone would attack someone because they're a transwoman. I'm acknowledging it's a greater possibility because they're men.
queenofknives · 24/12/2020 16:44

[quote BrumBoo]@MorganKitten that's not answering the question. What did she herself say that was transphobic?[/quote]
Or even, what transphobic tweets by other people did she 'like'?

MorganKitten · 24/12/2020 16:44

[quote BrumBoo]@MorganKitten that's not answering the question. What did she herself say that was transphobic?[/quote]
I’ve already said I won’t get into a long drawn out discussion, I posted links to articles and her tweets before on other threads, yet they were reported and taken down.

She is clearly transphobic - show me examples where she supports trans people? Not including the mock apology essay she wrote this year.

TheBuffster · 24/12/2020 16:45

You know what's ridiculous. Not being able to provide concrete evidence of transphobia and tying yourselves in knots to make your ideology float. This thread alone is full of contradictions with no one being able to give a straight answer.

SophocIestheFox · 24/12/2020 16:46

I’m not on Twitter, so help me out here- is it a requirement to go through someone’s timeline and check if they’ve ever tweeted something you disagree with before you like a tweet by them?

Sounds onerous. No wonder everyone on there is so cross all the time.

TheBuffster · 24/12/2020 16:48

Do we now have to be actively championing trans people to be considered not transphobic. What a lot of nonsense you talk. Apart from the fact she has a close trans friendship you mean? Is that not enough? Should she donate all profits to mermaids. It'd help if you could actually articulate what you actually want people to do to be 'supportive'.

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