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Is anyone applying actual LOGIC to Christmas or just blindly following covid rules??

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Christmasisallaroundus · 19/12/2020 22:17

I’m not changing my Christmas plans. I’m due to go to my parents 50 mins drive away. Myself & DH WFH full time. No DC. We’ve been isolating for 2 weeks in advance of Christmas. We are getting private covid tests on 21st - waiting for presumably negative results on 23rd then will travel home. Parents also not working and have been isolating pretty much since March. Will be home 24th-27th. No plans to leave the house. Then straight back to our house to isolate again for the foreseeable as no plans to see anyone.

Why would we change our plans and not go just because ‘it’s against the rules’. I don’t understand those saying they can’t go how due to rules changing.

If you are working out and about you shouldn’t have been mixing in the 1st place as you’re higher risk! Why are the rules influencing what you do - surely you should be using common sense!

OP posts:
millymokk · 20/12/2020 08:37

@Kokosrieksts but that would break the rules. That was my point not the method of transport

Skipsurvey · 20/12/2020 08:39

we had already decided yesterday morning, to simply meet in the garden at my dm, she is getting the vaccine today, it seems foolhardy to have her in the house

Dazedandconfused123 · 20/12/2020 08:40

OP - have you answered the question a PP asked a while ago? How do you plan to get a private test without breaking your isolation and entering a building, possibly with sick people in it?

AlternativePerspective · 20/12/2020 08:41

But let’s be honest here this thread wasn’t actually about asking people to follow logic.

It was an opportunity for the OP to take the high ground because she’s been at home and has paid for tests, and the rest should never have been mixing anyway.

croberts1208 · 20/12/2020 08:46

@Christmasisallaroundus can I ask, what would happen if you have a car crash and need police assistance? It's a minor damage crash but you're in contact in the police. Are you then continuing your journey to your parents? I know this is a massive what if but definitely possible!

Macncheeseballs · 20/12/2020 08:53

Shatnerswig- thats what I thought, surely plenty of people will still be moving around the country due to the support bubble rules, whatever tier they come from?

KihoBebiluPute · 20/12/2020 09:01

You are wrong OP.

We live in a society governed by the Rule of Law. We have freedom within the law but agree that there are some rules that all must follow for the common good. Hist those who are wealthy and privileged do enjoy many advantages, we agree that laws should apply equally to rich and poor alike.

So for example when it comes to speed limits, a wealthy person may be able to afford a high-tech car with sophisticated safety systems that mean it is a lot less risky for that person to drive at 100mph. However the law cannot be made to allow a wealthy person with a high tech car to drive faster than a poorer person whose car doesn't have those features.

You are advocating for the privileged and comfortable to have a nicer set of rules than the poor, the nurses and key workers. Nope. Not reasonable.

ForestNymph · 20/12/2020 09:03

You are advocating for the privileged and comfortable to have a nicer set of rules than the poor, the nurses and key workers.

This is ultimate sour grapes. "Ita not suitable for everyone, therefore no one can do it", utterly childish.

RudolphToldRedNoseNotSymptom · 20/12/2020 09:04

Logically, due to a mental health diagnosis, I am at high risk of suicide this Christmas. I would have gone to my friend's, but he's woken up with a cold this morning. Logically, it would have been safer for me to go to his place for a few days. As things stand, it's highly likely now that I will need a hospital trip or ten over the holiday period.

Logically, if you've been so good at self-isolating (by default might I add rather than by design or any self-discipline), then you don't need a test. Logically, I wouldn't trust that your parents have self-isolated completely for 2 weeks either. There's the post-man, delivery people, someone delivers their groceries. Logically, you're being a complete ass. If I was your sister, I'd probably report you. That's just me though. I'd feel a little miffed that I'd worked at the coal face for a year and you've relaxed in the comfort of your own home, with your little husband, laughing at the mere minions having to go to work, saying 'oh how lucky I am - those plebs better not think they can go visit anyone over Christmas when I want to'.

You sound incredibly arrogant.

RudolphToldRedNoseNotSymptom · 20/12/2020 09:06

Who is logically going to fill the car with fuel?

OneKeyAtATime · 20/12/2020 09:08

Well if you applied logic, you would know there is no God and wouldn't celebrate Christmas ;)

motherxmas · 20/12/2020 09:08

@KihoBebiluPute - I think that OP is perfectly comfortable with that and would probably assume that while the law should protect their comfort and assets etc - they should still have the privilege to opt-out of the system if they have cash.

There is also a real lack of understanding of the difference between public versus private health i.e. just because you can be careful, it doesn't mean that something should still be allowed from the public health's point of view. For everyone who has been self-isolating, there will still be those who get unlucky, etc and somehow catch it and pass it on. From your personal point of view, the risk is indeed small, but from a societal standpoint once it's multiplied by millions it becomes more prevalent.

So OP whilst you may indeed be able to afford to WFH, have private tests etc - you are still not very bright, so just follow the law for everyone's sake

WaterOffADucksCrack · 20/12/2020 09:09

Also OP it is a difficult time of year to get home delivery slots and you've taken them away from people who have covid who are not allowed to go shopping, and those who are clinically vulnerable who are at risk of dying if they contract the virus. You've taken slots away from those people for your own selfish gain and therefore we can conclude you're not a very nice person to put it mildly!

Did you isolate all shopping for 72hrs prior to bringing it inside? If so how did you stop chilled and frozen items from spoiling? Or did you wipe everything down with antibacterial wipes? What about the things which can't be wiped down?

ForestNymph · 20/12/2020 09:12

@WaterOffADucksCrack

Also OP it is a difficult time of year to get home delivery slots and you've taken them away from people who have covid who are not allowed to go shopping, and those who are clinically vulnerable who are at risk of dying if they contract the virus. You've taken slots away from those people for your own selfish gain and therefore we can conclude you're not a very nice person to put it mildly!

Did you isolate all shopping for 72hrs prior to bringing it inside? If so how did you stop chilled and frozen items from spoiling? Or did you wipe everything down with antibacterial wipes? What about the things which can't be wiped down?

That latter paragraph is so over the top Hmm
WaterOffADucksCrack · 20/12/2020 09:13

OneKeyAtATime Quite Grin

WaterOffADucksCrack · 20/12/2020 09:13

ForestNymph Why? It's factual.

Oldbutstillgotit · 20/12/2020 09:14

I didn’t realise we could pick and choose which laws to obey ! Silly me.
I am sure you didn’t mean this OP but you are coming over as incredibly smug and self centred.

ForestNymph · 20/12/2020 09:15

@WaterOffADucksCrack

ForestNymph Why? It's factual.
Its a ridiculous thing to expect people to do. If that's your level of fear I expect you never cross a road, or leave home.
daisychain01 · 20/12/2020 09:16

And then Cummings did whatever the fuck he wanted, and Boris supported that decision and in one fell swoop it was one rule for them and one for us peasants.

From that day on, COVID anarchy has ruled, and too many people will ignore the rules forever more.

So much damage was done on the day Dom decided to drive to Durham, but will the government ever admit it? Of course not.

This is utter bollox.

Two wrongs do NOT make a right - EVER!

It shouldn't matter what Dom did, yes he was wrong to flout the guidelines, but people justifying their selfish behaviour on the basis "well, if he can, I can" are the lowest of the low. If it wasn't Dom they'd find some other person to blame.

Equally those people could just decide to do the right thing and not flock to beaches, not have raves, not run rampant through the streets, not have large gatherings for a bbq, whatever, during a pandemic because they know it's dumb to be a lemming and throw themselves off a cliff because Dom did it.

WaterOffADucksCrack · 20/12/2020 09:18

ForestNymph Erm I've been frontline in the pandemic since day one. If the OP is claiming she/he is of no risk to anyone then surely they should be taking every step possible. I'm not the one claiming I have absolutely no risk of infecting anyone Smile

sixswans · 20/12/2020 09:19

loads of us can't work from home/isolate before xmas. So we keep an eye on the numbers and consider the risk to individuals in our family and go ahead if the rules say we can and it seems reasonable

ForestNymph · 20/12/2020 09:19

@WaterOffADucksCrack

ForestNymph Erm I've been frontline in the pandemic since day one. If the OP is claiming she/he is of no risk to anyone then surely they should be taking every step possible. I'm not the one claiming I have absolutely no risk of infecting anyone Smile
Taking it a bit literally there. Everyone has a slight risk but the number is astronomically low its insignificant. But you know that, you just want to be obtuse.
AmaryllisNightAndDay · 20/12/2020 09:20

A simple check - can I guarantee I’m not going to pass it on

A simple answer - no you can't. All the things you are doing do lower the risk a very long way but they still don't guarantee it. Anyone can believe they've lowered the risk enough but what makes you so special that it's guaranteed safe for you? We need to avoid any extra cases right now, including a few extra cases from people who are convinced they're safe and the rules don't logically apply to them.

And don't be out on the road at Christmas either. You have no good reason to be out, it's probably illegal and certainly selfish. Emergency services have got enough to do right now without coping if you have an accident.

Exercise your own judgment but exercise it within the rules.

iamtheoneandonlyyy · 20/12/2020 09:22

My mum is part of my support bubble but she's also quite vulnerable. My heart says go and see her still but my head knows I probably shouldn't. My dad and brother live with her so she's not alone

Livelovebehappy · 20/12/2020 09:22

babyllamazen you have seen recent news have you that suggests the majority of us won’t get the vaccine until the end of 2021/2022? Another lie by the government who told us that the vaccine was here and we were all going to get it so we can get back to normal by Easter. But the reality is that we are going to be in limbo and living like this for most, if not all of, 2021.