Is anyone applying actual LOGIC to Christmas or just blindly following covid rules??

[Christmasisallaroundus]

I’m not changing my Christmas plans. I’m due to go to my parents 50 mins drive away. Myself & DH WFH full time. No DC. We’ve been isolating for 2 weeks in advance of Christmas. We are getting private covid tests on 21st - waiting for presumably negative results on 23rd then will travel home. Parents also not working and have been isolating pretty much since March. Will be home 24th-27th. No plans to leave the house. Then straight back to our house to isolate again for the foreseeable as no plans to see anyone.

Why would we change our plans and not go just because ‘it’s against the rules’. I don’t understand those saying they can’t go how due to rules changing.

If you are working out and about you shouldn’t have been mixing in the 1st place as you’re higher risk! Why are the rules influencing what you do - surely you should be using common sense!

@blibblibs
I wouldn’t say anything to you, your situation is very different. Hope everything will go well with your visit.

@Didkdt

Also Australia has their lovely lockdown success based on no one needing to go there but babies died because the lockdown rules stopped them being transferred to hospitals that could help them and children missed saying goodbye to dying parents the feck do I think they got it right

You don’t think that if there hadn’t been a lock down a lot more people would have been unable to say goodbye to their dying loved ones.

Some people on these forums go on about Melbourne only succeeding because we are an island, small population ect but mostly we succeeded because we did give up a lot of freedoms, you forget that our health systems are design for our population so they become overwhelmed at a different point to yours and we were very fucking close to being overwhelmed

I have been reading constant posts from a younger person who does not like masks or vaccines, who has young school aged kids and whose partner is a trades person visiting other people's houses, who complained when play equipment, play centres, gyms, hairdressers, nail bars and extra curricular activities were stopped and that covid protection was not necessary for healthy under 50s. The type who says "well they did have an underlying medical condition" and who is now in tier four. They are trying to find a way around the rules to enable a trip across tier borders to visit an elderly relative in poor health, for Christmas. Smh. The reason for the tiers is because of people like this. They cannot see the risk they are taking with their relative's health by exposing them and until covid impacts directly on the health of their family, will continue to "fix" the rules to suit them.
Boris and Chris have asked people to be sensible and careful. It appears that some people just don't comprehend the basics so they have to have their asses wiped.

@TheEchtMeaningofChristmas

Also Australia has their lovely lockdown success based on no one needing to go there but babies died because the lockdown rules stopped them being transferred to hospitals that could help them and children missed saying goodbye to dying parents the feck do I think they got it right

What on earth are you on about?

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/oct/21/utterly-unacceptable-deaths-of-four-babies-at-adelaide-hospital-prompt-call-for-inquiry I know tasty social media quotes might be how you decide the government is wrong but other countries had it wrong too.

Tragic story but how is it relevant to the Melbourne lockdown?

That story has nothing whatsoever to do with covid.

The lockdown across Australia stopped those babies getting the care they needed
You think Australia routinely lets babies born in the wrong state did because they can’t be transferred

They weren’t stopped from transferring interstate.

I know tasty social media quotes might be how you decide the government is wrong but other countries had it wrong too

My critique of the UK government's actions was perfectly valid, and echoed a number of posters on this thread - not that it matters if it didn't. In no way did it imply perfection on the part of any the actions by premiers of the states and territories of Australia. I'm not sure why you find it useful to speculate on my sources of information, however "tasty" you imagine them to be (whatever that means)

I cited the confused messages coming from the UK government, if that's what you're referring to, as a way of showing understanding as to why people were frustrated.

Tragic story but how is it relevant to the Melbourne lockdown

The point about this thread was about following the rules.

The lockdown across Australia stopped those babies getting the care they needed

There was no lockdown across Australia.

I think Echt that the PP might be mixing up the story of the woman who lost a twin because of the confusion around transfer from ballina to Brisbane. Which had nothing to do with Melbourne but was at least related to covid

It doesn’t matter how safe and logical YOU BELIEVE you are. You have to follow the rules.
To quote you yourself further up ”It’s not fair, but it’s how it is this year.”

You think Australia routinely lets babies born in the wrong state did because they can’t be transferred
In a sense, yes. Postcode lottery etc. Some areas of the country have more comprehensive healthcare than others, and some patients wont survive a plane journey to elsewhere.

"The rules" is actually the law. So you're actively planning to commit a crime.

If you commited a different premeditated crime would you expect "but I applied logic to stand up in court?

Many of us work Christmas day so would have celebrated Christmas eve or boxing day. However we now can't as we don't want to break the law.

@Lougle

Because society relies on people complying with rules that aren't about the individual.

This.

Good thing these self-centered gits weren't who we had to depend upon during WWII.

Would you be happy to look your food delivery driver in the eye and say ' logically I'm allowed to spend Christmas with my family and you're not?'

I'm not sure " I used LOGIC" will be much of a defence against the fine if you are caught.

@Christmasisallaroundus
So basically you think we should only follow rules if we believe they affect us directly?
What happens to society in that case? (Or do you hold the Margaret Thatcher view of society?).
Rules are there to protect people and ensure society functions.

I’m sure lots of us can find reasons why we should be exceptions to the rule. Hopefully most of us understand the benefits of keeping to them.

I seriously hope you get caught breaking the law and get fined on your journey. If it weren't for people like you breaking the law to suit themselves, maybe the situation wouldn't have become so bad in the first place. Im stuck overseas and haven't seen my parents or family for well over a year. The longer people like you carry on doing as they please, the longer this pandemic will go on for. #selfishidiot

@blibblibs

I'm afraid I'm another rule breaker and nothing anyone says will stop me from breaking them. I've followed every rule at every stage but I've taken every last day of annual leave from my patient facing role and removed the DC from school early so that we'll have isolated for two weeks to be safe to travel on boxing day to visit DM who has just been diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. DSis needs a break from caring for her and DM needs to see her DGC. So I'll suck up the name calling and the fine should we get one but I've risk assessed a crappy situation and will be breaking some rules.

I would do the same.

Take care and have the best Christmas you can.

I think anyone who has been isolating should be ok to carry on. They clearly can't say this or condone it but if you're clear do it.

Don’t get me wrong I have been following all rules. Isolating wasn’t a hardship as we see no one anyway - just needed to order our shopping instead of the weekly visit to the shop

I'm alright, Jack (smug)

How taf were you able to isolate? Because there are others out there slogging away to make that possible for you, that's how!

Ignoring the fact that you are coming across as a deeply unpleasant person can you not see that you are no better than all the other people using logic rather than sticking to the rules. Uni students living in halls for instance, why should they social distance? Why should they make huge sacrifices when they are highly unlikely to be in touch with anyone vulnerable who matters to them? Why can't I have had a birthday party on a saturday for my son with children he was playing with at school the Friday? We can just use logic because everyone's risk assessments about what is safe and logical would be different that's why there needs to be rules. If you chose to break the law that is your choice and you chose to take the consequences but you are not above the law on the basis of having a logical reason to break it, that is not how society works.

These type of AIBUs always puzzle me. The OP clearly has decided that she INBU so why post? Surely an AIBU is for someone who actually wants to listen to others?
On the capitals note tho in the title ‘LOGIC’ there have a lot of those recently, notably in some schools threads and it always does come across as goady and patronising.

The irony is that with the new rules we will actually be spending time with more people at Christmas than originally planned. 5 instead of 2 because of the travel restrictions. Obviously aware we don't have to and could just be alone.