Is anyone applying actual LOGIC to Christmas or just blindly following covid rules??

[Christmasisallaroundus]

I’m not changing my Christmas plans. I’m due to go to my parents 50 mins drive away. Myself & DH WFH full time. No DC. We’ve been isolating for 2 weeks in advance of Christmas. We are getting private covid tests on 21st - waiting for presumably negative results on 23rd then will travel home. Parents also not working and have been isolating pretty much since March. Will be home 24th-27th. No plans to leave the house. Then straight back to our house to isolate again for the foreseeable as no plans to see anyone.

Why would we change our plans and not go just because ‘it’s against the rules’. I don’t understand those saying they can’t go how due to rules changing.

If you are working out and about you shouldn’t have been mixing in the 1st place as you’re higher risk! Why are the rules influencing what you do - surely you should be using common sense!

'Common' sense is not common.
My common sense tells me to stay put. My MIL's common sense tells her to blackmail us emotionally into traveling 4 hours to stay with her.
This is why we need rules that are not open to interpretation and are properly enforced.

If I were in a lower tier no bloody way would I want a bunch of higher tier people visiting the area for Christmas even if they claimed to have self isolated beforehand (very few actually truly isolate) - I would want my tier to stay low and that puts it at risk.

I'm on a 12,5 hour shift on Christmas Day. Was supposed to be going to my parents on Boxing Day but they don't want to do that. Still going to do what I had planned on Christmas Eve though.

If you have truly done what you said then risks are minimised

OP I’ve only read the first 5 pages of your privileged nonsense.

Are you this sanctimonious and self satisfied in RL or just on the internet?

You are relying on other people to facilitate your safety. That your response to that is to say “screw you for having a job that requires you to mix” AND “I’m doing as I please” tells me much about you.

It doesn’t tell me you’re an independent free thinker. It tells me you’re a privileged, self centred idiot.

Have you just posted to piss people off? In your situation, then yeah, you’re probably safe to do what you’re planning.

But lots of us aren’t getting to see our family: we could manage (just) within the rules to visit my mum, but decided that the risk of bringing the virus to her or away from her was just too much. Absolutely heartbroken as I’ve not seen her for months

I agree with you, OP (that the common sense should come before rules, and it works both ways - when you are "safer" than the hypothetical average citizen that the rules are calibrated to, and when you are "riskier"). On the individual basis.
But, on the society-wide basis, there is another issue, I think it is known as "broken windows" effect. When people observe other misbehaving, they are more likely to misbehave themselves. It would be wise to keep that in mind if you are in the "safer" category.

OP I couldn't agree with you more. And the way some women - presumably mothers in many cases - write on here is laughable. "Off you fuck. Arse handed on a plate. Fuck me sideways. Living in your middle class house." Do you all actually talk like this in real life? I hope not, for your sakes.

Anyhow, there was an excellent opinion article about this in the Times on Sunday. OP's basic argument, I believe, is that just because you are no longer allowed to mix at 00.01 on Sunday, doesnt mean it WAS ok for some people to mix at 23.59 on Saturday.

But I'm afraid it is impractical to rely on the British public to rely on their common sense, as useful (and probably safer in some respects) that it would be. Too much generaliaed stupidity and selfishness.

I agree dreamer
I won't add anything more as Op has well and truly been handed her arse, except to comment on people's loose definitions of "isolating"

Just on this thread we've had we've been practically isolating, we've hardly been out so..., were isolating more or less, I've hardly seen anyone..

@ChristmasTreeFairy5000

What is law is not always morally right. What is morally right is not always law.

So true. However I suspect that a discussion on law and ethics might be beyond the present audience. This is mumsnet, and mumsnetters are far more compliant (at least on paper) than the average individual. Its almost reached a competitive boasting about compliance on here.

Of course facepalm unless you have learning difficulties, it's plainly obvious that 10 am on Christmas day for example, is no more covid safe than 5 to midnight on Christmas eve.

Can you see the inequality of proposing that privileged people who can afford to isolate prior to Christmas and order private tests for the family can be allowed to be exempt from a nationwide ban?

I think Op needed to be taken down a peg or too. Her view was very insular and blinkered.

Off you fuck you silly cunt is an affectionate term in some regions of the UK.

You're joking Greenland A vast section of mumsnetters have a superiority complex, believing their abilities surpass those of everyone else. Hopefully you can read this sitting up on your high horse.

Sending a flower doesn't make it untrue

Why are the rules influencing what you do - surely you should be using common sense!

The same reason that I pay my taxes and don’t speed. Because it’s the law. I don’t necessarily agree with the restrictions, but they are the law. You’re not talking about ‘breaking the rules’ - that makes it sound like you’re a kid at school - you’re talking about breaking the law. You’re not ‘using common sense’ - you’re going to commit a criminal offence.

I have the additional risk that I work in a heavily regulated sector and committing a criminal offence could jeopardise my job, so it just isn’t worth it for me. But that isn’t ‘blindly following the rules’.