It’s all a social experiment...?

[Averyshinynose]

Couple of friends posted this on Fb, in what way could it be a social experiment and why?

Please don't feed this conspiracy theory nonsense.

There’s an element of social experimentation about it in that the government probably never realised how much power they have, how easily they can remove peoples’ civil liberties with little to no associated civil unrest. It must be quite an eye opener for them to know they almost total control over the general population.

Look up The Great Reset/Agenda 21

@RichardMarxisinnocent

I was being facetious but it's definitely interesting to see how far the public will allow the government to impinge on our lives before things start to get ugly.

Unintentionally it's been a very interesting experiment. 65k deaths is bad for sure but the trade-off with our attitudes to saving the NHS has been many more lives ruined in the process.

About half a million (and rising) unemployed with many businesses shut down for good.
Destitution a very real scenario for many.
Malnutrition of children due to increased poverty.
Untold national debt and a decade or two of recession that'll make Tory austerity look like nothing in comparison.
Mental health issues for all ages and likely more suicides.
Wrecked education for a generation of our youth.
Total removal of our usual freedoms.

The list goes on and it really does put into question what defines 'the greater good'. Does saving a very narrow section of our society warrant such an extreme response? I'm towing the line but am beginning to question what the greater good is.

I say this when my extended family live on the other side of the world and are going about their daily lives as normal, except perhaps for flight restrictions. However, testing, track and trace, border control has all been managed properly to completely control the virus.

The question is why hasn't the west come close to doing anything except hardening lockdowns since February?

China does have a vaccine but it’s not secret, they just chose to start using it before the trials had completed: www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55212787

So either China has got a vaccine and they’re keeping it from the rest of the world

They do. The Sinopharm one has been approved for emergency use since about August, and now for general use. I had my first dose last week.

The question is why hasn't the west come close to doing anything except hardening lockdowns since February?

You answered that, with this:

However, testing, track and trace, border control has all been managed properly to completely control the virus.

We live in a very different society As the rest of America

We absolutely should have been mass testing far earlier and used tract and trace but for track and trace been to really work it needs to be compulsory that isn’t going to happen in many countries

I thought that about Donald Trump. I kept expecting hiim to hold up his hands and admit it, sadly it wasn't.

@IamTomHanks

The question is why hasn't the west come close to doing anything except hardening lockdowns since February?

You answered that, with this:

However, testing, track and trace, border control has all been managed properly to completely control the virus.

Sadly it's all the government have left in their tiny little box of solutions. I think it's almost too late to implement anything else and is a complete clusterf#ck.

I see more trauma around me now from the living, who are struggling to put food on the table, pay the rent etc. etc.

When people start to question what 'the greater good' means, or whether the cure is worse than the disease, we're in big trouble.

Sadly it's all the government have left in their tiny little box of solutions.

Absolutely. The government rushed to end the first lockdown without putting the mechanisms in place to test, trace, and control movement.

They wanted to be heroes and let things go back to normal rather than make compulsory the things that could have controlled it.

@IamTomHanks

Definitely. And now we're all in the impossible position of choosing between the vulnerable/covid-19 or the rest of the population who are also vulnerable from the fallout.

What a social experiment it's turning out to be!

[quote Averyshinynose]@Ffsnosexallowed I’m questioning why they said it and what angle they’re coming at.
I had covid in March and am still suffering fairly badly during points in my monthly cycle, I’m aware how awful it is, I was wondering what they meant exactly[/quote]
My guess as to why they said it is simply 'fear'.

We humans are at the top of the food chain, able to rebuild our environment to what we want and just generally control our world. Suddenly, it's out of our control, and we are just not used to that thought. We are now prey (to the virus) which bypasses all our carefully constructed environment - even using it against us (indoors, crowded spaces etc.) - and its presence in our previously-safe world is what is controlling a lot of our behaviours now.

So, how do we humans react to our fear, our loss of control?

Some meet it head on and try to defeat the virus.

Some deny it's a problem, or even that any problem exists.

Some who cannot deny and cannot meet the challenge try to find an 'explanation' that their fearful selves can accept, and come up with a conspiracy theory.

We humans love to find patterns in random blobs and that's what this is. Because you see, if 'it's all a social experiment' then someone - they don't know who, but some human - is still in control of the world. They are no longer prey to a world that doesn't even notice humans exist, a human (or a cabal of humans) is still in control of the world. They find an Illuminati-esque social experiment less scary than contemplating that humans are at the mercy of Mother Earth.

AND the whole of the NHS are in on it, cause they haven't enough to do ... FFS

I know a couple of people who believe in the Big Reset. They reckon the ultimate end is the economy worldwide will be so buggered, governments will offer to wipe off debt in return for surrender of all assets. Essentially meaning the few at the top have complete control and ownership and everyone else starts again. They think the virus is real but has been allowed to play out the way it has to facilitate this. I can't get my head around it personally. Surely it would just crash the system completely.

[quote Warsawa31]@BadTattoosAndSmellLikeBooze

Plenty of us actually ... sorry for having an opinion you don't like. We still have that freedom to at least voice our disagreement with it.

365 people under 65 with no underlying health conditions dead "with" covid since February average age of covid death is 82 U.K. life expectancy is 81.7 years.

One million people lost their jobs - plenty more when furlough ends. Bad flu season in 2018 killed around 50k people - no one gave a shit then - no lockdowns or Christmas cancelled was there ?[/quote]
Couldn't agree with you more @Warsawa31

The virus itself isn't a social experiment

The response to it, and how people react to that response is creating a lot of data though and that data will be studied for years

As it's unprecedented in truly modern times I'm fairly sure there's an experimental aspect to the measures put into place and how they are delivered.

Why anyone would think otherwise I don't know. Everything we do, from browsing, shopping traveling creates data that feeds into governments, private companies and so on and very much shapes our future

Op, are you just encouraging conspiracy theorists to engage with you on this? Most well balanced people can't imagine what goes through the heads of people like this. Not to mention it being incredibly disrespectful to those who have lost family members and friends this year and jobs and income. Surely you just read it and mutter "idiot" under your breath, like the rest of us.

@TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum

Please don't feed this conspiracy theory nonsense.

Agree.

All these disingenuous threads started by people "just wondering" are so obvious and tedious.

Plenty of us actually ... sorry for having an opinion you don't like. We still have that freedom to at least voice our disagreement with it.

You can think what you like obviously. I just pity you for being so uninformed.

[quote Warsawa31]@BadTattoosAndSmellLikeBooze

Plenty of us actually ... sorry for having an opinion you don't like. We still have that freedom to at least voice our disagreement with it.

365 people under 65 with no underlying health conditions dead "with" covid since February average age of covid death is 82 U.K. life expectancy is 81.7 years.

One million people lost their jobs - plenty more when furlough ends. Bad flu season in 2018 killed around 50k people - no one gave a shit then - no lockdowns or Christmas cancelled was there ?[/quote]
Thank you thank you for talking sense. How anyone can argue with the facts stated here I don't know

@2LittleSpeckledFrogs

I know a couple of people who believe in the Big Reset. They reckon the ultimate end is the economy worldwide will be so buggered, governments will offer to wipe off debt in return for surrender of all assets. Essentially meaning the few at the top have complete control and ownership and everyone else starts again. They think the virus is real but has been allowed to play out the way it has to facilitate this. I can't get my head around it personally. Surely it would just crash the system completely.

The daily mail comments bit online always mentions ' agenda 21' and the ' great reset' I've not read up on it but I get the gist of this conspiracy: it would mean the Government being on board with it I assume? It doesn't make much sense to me , but many believe it could happen and this is the start. Who knows?

When people start to question what 'the greater good' means, or whether the cure is worse than the disease, we're in big trouble.

I think it's pretty realistic that the same vulnerable and disadvantaged people will be the ones that suffer regardless of what we do

A decade of austerity from 2010 to 2020 had, by some estimates a death toll of 100k people, and it's the old, the infirm and the disadvantaged who bore the brunt of that through loss of services and lack of funding of those services.

I agree there's little difference anyone's gonna make but wondering about this stuff but suggesting there isn't an interesting conversation to have around those topics is pretty weird

@1940s @Warsawa31
25% of the UK population has a relevant underlying health condition and 1 in 5 worldwide.
thats about 16.5 million people in the UK alone specifically at high risk. so quoting that only a few hundred without conditions have died is ignoring the fact an enormous amount ( no doubt including a lot of your family and friend) ARE at high risk.

www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2020/estimates-suggest-one-five-people-worldwide-have-underlying-health-condition

[quote nextdoorshush]**@1940s* @Warsawa31*
25% of the UK population has a relevant underlying health condition and 1 in 5 worldwide.
thats about 16.5 million people in the UK alone specifically at high risk. so quoting that only a few hundred without conditions have died is ignoring the fact an enormous amount ( no doubt including a lot of your family and friend) ARE at high risk.

www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2020/estimates-suggest-one-five-people-worldwide-have-underlying-health-condition[/quote]
But it's not high risk is it if only that number of people have died? And not everyone who is high risk dies