It’s all a social experiment...?

[Averyshinynose]

Couple of friends posted this on Fb, in what way could it be a social experiment and why?

I hate the only people with underlying health conditions are considered at risk argument. considering a bmi over 30 counts as one ..
"Data from theHealth Survey for England(HSE) conducted in 2018 indicated that 31% of adults in the United Kingdom were recognised as clinically obese with aBody Mass Index (BMI)greater than 30"

add that to all the other conditions thats going to be a significant proportion of the UK who IS at risk.

Averyshinynose
I'm no expert on poetry either. But I do think it reflects the way a lot of people start to feel as if they are helplessly being jerked around (especially when from one day to the next you don't know if Christmas is allowed and don't know if school is open and so on), and isn't someone out there (Boris? Nicola? Xi whatsisname?) responsible? Is anyone paying attention to my suffering? Which is presumably the feeling in "it's all a social experiment" people.

While I think the virus does exist, and might even give a touch of credit to this conveniently-timed "new strain", I have no doubt that governments around the world (not necessarily all together) have seized the opportunity of "da virus" to test just how far they can push the public, are studying public behaviour in adversity in the face of ever-changing and deliberately confusing information, and that those aspiring to be the next Oliver Cromwell are taking very careful note. It worries me that they saw how easily the public complied and surrendered their rights when the right scary information was thrown at them.

And I'm not joking.

@wanderings But why? To do what with the information gained?

Of course it's a social experiment.

People are studying us to see how long we're prepared to put up with this useless fucking government before the rioting starts.

It seems people in the west will put up with almost anything.

the sharia law thing stems from gambling venues being closed, alcohol venues closed as well as restrictions on movements!

it made me laugh but stupid people will think up alsorts

No, they’re right...it’s the big re-set.
After the failure of Corbynites to populate the world, Jeremy instructed all the bats in China to infect the Chinese with their seed - some flew to London and hibernated, only to emerge this month with their more infectious strain,; their purpose was to destabilise the U.K. at Christmas -pre-Brexit.

COVID is very real but I think there has been an element of let’s see what happens if..... I think governments have taken the opportunity to note how populations react to different changes and constraints. Eg, we need to cut back on global travel for environmental reasons, aviation industry is fucked by COVID -right let’s see how the population can get used to not flying - no. Help for aviation industry. We need people to buy more shit, let’s open shops in preference to hospitality -we want to cut down people drinking as much etc. It’s an opportunity ceased rather than experiment created though

Seized not ceased

I don't think it's a deliberate social experiment.

But see Warsaws stats - relatively speaking, deaths of younger, healthy people are really low here. The reaction here from governments has been excessive relative to the massive massive economic & mental health harm that has been done.

But I dont think that's conscious/deliberate. I think its become a huge game of "what if", where no politician wants to be caught pants down in the unlikely of it all getting much worse. So they continue to propagate the hysteria as justifying their courses of action to date.

I may well be getting a bit paranoid- let's face it, this year has been pretty perfect for paranoia- but I am starting to think...ok virus originated in China, China keeps quiet while virus travels round the world, western countries' economies are devastated while China's economy actually has grown this year. They've apparently been vaccinating people for a while, I do think under the circumstances it would be nice of them to share the vaccine's production methods with other countries, but they've obviously decided not to do that

awaits the dozens of are you on glue posts

Nextdoorshush

Obesity is an underlying health condition.

It's really bad for you.

I mean, it could be, but I don't think we would have needed an experiment to know how it turned out. Some will break the rules, some will stick to them, resentments will grow between groups as the situation goes on.

So you know .. probably not an experiment.

@400rabbits

I may well be getting a bit paranoid- let's face it, this year has been pretty perfect for paranoia- but I am starting to think...ok virus originated in China, China keeps quiet while virus travels round the world, western countries' economies are devastated while China's economy actually has grown this year. They've apparently been vaccinating people for a while, I do think under the circumstances it would be nice of them to share the vaccine's production methods with other countries, but they've obviously decided not to do that

awaits the dozens of are you on glue posts

The other day I read a post that said (along the lines of) “How come Wuhan has reopened without a vaccine? Explain that! Eh?! EH?!!”

So either China has got a vaccine and they’re keeping it from the rest of the world or they haven’t got a vaccine and it’s massively suspicious that they have suppressed the virus (although we know it’s because their lockdown was incredibly strict).

And I'm not joking.

Oh, that's really sad.

China’s lockdown and compliance was completely different to ours - you can’t compare the two!

@CalishataFolkart thanks for not actually calling me a moron, I do appreciate it

I guess my thoughts are that they do have a vaccine and have for a while, basing this on a lot of posters saying they are vaccinating and some news stories. I know they had a very harsh lockdown and I'm sure that made a big difference, I think the fact that they are the only major economy that has actually benefited from the situation just seems weird. Like I say, might be getting a bit paranoid.

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland ? what are you talking about. there was a poster who said most people are at no risk of covid unless they have underlying health conditions.. my point is, a huge proportion of the country have this 1 very basic underlying condition.

Current death toll is around 65k I think.

I'm not saying nothing should be done - but we have lost all sense of proportionality. The NHS is always in a desperate situation every winter. Why? Because it's more efficient to run it at near full capacity - so why don't we build field hospitals ? Oh wait we have but we don't want to use them .... is it because maybe we don't have the staff to run them ?

All I'm saying is the virus isn't anywhere near as bad as being made out - it's helping the government to create and sustain the fear - purely to prevent their own incompetence from being exposed.

The other governments of the world have gone down a similar path - why? Is it because it's the right approach or is it a case of they have no idea what to do so just copy others. They can print money, load debt onto future generations, live in comfort themselves and run a bare bones economy and country - any and all failings can be laid at the door of the pandemic.

Think about it, the same people who wage war, sanction arms deals to Saudi Arabia, cut benefits for disabled people now suddenly care about human life and everything they are doing is in our best interests .... this isn't a party political thing either

Frightened and demoralised people are easier to control.

Tell that to just about every populist revolution from the peasants revolt, to the French revolution, to the Russian revolution..... people who have nothing to lose have nothing to gain by compliance

China's economy actually has grown this year.
China's economy is based on manufacturing. Which people need more of in a pandemic. The UKs is based on service industries. Which we need less off in a pandemic .

And yes their lockdown was better quicker stronger more effective. Their exit strategy was dictatorial oppressive and comprehensive. Even without the vaccination programme they were in a better position to open back up.

We in this country struggle to handle lockdown lite, and start whinging about conspiracy theories. Heaven only knows how we would handle chinese style lockdown and wholesale mask wearing.

@Hazelnutlatteplease

Thank god we don't live in China a!

Thank god we don't live in China...

Really?

Whilst i dont agree with the chinese government on many things I'd happily have taken 3 months of radical restrictions for elimination of the virus and almost complete normality now. That seems to be infinitely preferable to the shit storm January and February will probably be and our determination to led "normal" life so much so we allow the virus to spread and mutate reducing the efficacy of our only defence.

Current death toll is around 65k I think.

You do realise this figure isnt static? also that the death rate is dependent on every one who needs access to ventilation, getting ventilation. If that isn't the case the death rate rises quickly. You do not want large numbers of your population getting ill at once. And exponential growth is just that. The numbers infected snowball rapidly

@400rabbits

I may well be getting a bit paranoid- let's face it, this year has been pretty perfect for paranoia- but I am starting to think...ok virus originated in China, China keeps quiet while virus travels round the world, western countries' economies are devastated while China's economy actually has grown this year. They've apparently been vaccinating people for a while, I do think under the circumstances it would be nice of them to share the vaccine's production methods with other countries, but they've obviously decided not to do that

awaits the dozens of are you on glue posts

I don't think ' your on glue' at all. China should be giving money to the rest of the world too , but they won't. They have basically got away with this however hysterical that might sound. I lay the blame at their door and the fact they tried to cover it up to start with is just criminal.

@whiterabbitsweets

Of course it's a social experiment.

People are studying us to see how long we're prepared to put up with this useless fucking government before the rioting starts.

It seems people in the west will put up with almost anything.

Which people? And why?