May Hope and History Rhyme (Trump#116)

[lionheart]

With thanks to Seamus Heaney for inspiring the President Elect.

"History says, don't hope
On this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
The longed-for tidal wave
Of justice can rise up,
And hope and history rhyme."

@DGRossetti

That’s so true. I think for the coup to have had a chance of succeeding they would have needed McConnell on side. And he isn’t.

I also suspect that some Republican senators (especially Cruz) are saying what Trump wants to hear, knowing that he can’t succeed but with an eye to 2024. If they’re not seen by Trump’s fanatical supporters to have betrayed him, then they’ll have a better chance of winning them over in the primaries and become the official Presidential candidate for the Republican Party.

@Lweji

If Trump ends up in Scotland, or somewhere else in the UK, and an international arrest warrant (or whatever is called) is issued, in which Embassy do you think he would find shelter?

Obviously Russia.

If he rocked up in the UK, then it would just be a straightforward US request for extradition under the UK-US treaty.

I hope Anne Sacoolas has made herself very untraceable.

[quote Mittens030869]@DGRossetti

That’s so true. I think for the coup to have had a chance of succeeding they would have needed McConnell on side. And he isn’t.

I also suspect that some Republican senators (especially Cruz) are saying what Trump wants to hear, knowing that he can’t succeed but with an eye to 2024. If they’re not seen by Trump’s fanatical supporters to have betrayed him, then they’ll have a better chance of winning them over in the primaries and become the official Presidential candidate for the Republican Party.[/quote]
Of course another thing to factor in, is that quite aside from legal problems, Trump knows how his own side - Republicans - will treat him the moment they decide he is of fuck all use to them. Which certainly explains his desperation. It's all very well weaselling your way to become alpha male of a pack. Right up until you're a burden.

Exactly the way he has treated people who outlived their usefulness to him when he was in the ascendant.

The old adage about being nice to people on the way up is ever true.

If he won, I could see McConnell either rolling over completely, or being removed. One way or another. I see him as Rohm to Trumps Hitler.

Anyone who has read a little history wouldn't be surprised at this.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-lies-washington-post-number-november-2020_n_5ff44826c5b61817a5398564?ri18n=true&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

Russia won't want him: they have no use for a failed puppet. If he goes there he'll have a fatal accident. Ditto North Korea.

Brazil is a possibility, except there is an extradition treaty. There isn't one with Saudi Arabia, though.

Maybe he's just planning to refuel and his destination is further East.

www.thenational.scot/news/18984539.trump-flee-scotland-bid-avoid-bidens-inauguration/

Would Trump really want to come to a country in lockdown? He can't play golf

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Russia won't want him: they have no use for a failed puppet. If he goes there he'll have a fatal accident. Ditto North Korea.

Brazil is a possibility, except there is an extradition treaty. There isn't one with Saudi Arabia, though.

Well now George Blakes gone, there's a spare apartment,

Maybe near Snowden ...

www.axios.com/dominion-defamation-lawsuit-sidney-powell-trump-5e8530bc-a6ff-4feb-badd-d617eccdabfa.html?stream=politics&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alerts_politics

'Dominion Voting Systems plans to sue attorney Sidney Powell "imminently" for defamation, and it's continuing to explore similar suits against President Trump and others, company founder and CEO John Poulos told the Axios Re:Cap podcast on Monday.'

I don't blame them!

Their company name has been dragged through the mud for no reason and their staff are receiving death threats.

The company is 18 years old. It has sent 'cease and desist' letters to Fox, OANN and Powell but that hasn't stopped the slurs about their company. So they are filing lawsuits for defamation, firstly to Sidney Powell who is filling Trump's head with lies about Domininion machines.

I think we can be grateful that there are Republicans who are decent and below in their democracy. There are a few that really can't be bought, like Romney. And we can also be grateful that the State Governors and election officials (and the courts) have stood firm.

It was also reassuring to hear all those men who had been Secretaries of Sate for Defence speaking up and reminding the military that their first duty is to the Constitution.

@DuncinToffee

Would Trump really want to come to a country in lockdown? He can't play golf

He’s got a big garden one of the biggest gardens ever. -:) He’ll not give 2 hoots.

Considering his attitude to mask wearing and social distancing, can anyone imagine him sticking to lockdown rules?

Gabriel Sterling of Georgia continues to justify my high opinion of him:

Georgia Senate election: Control of Congress up for grabs
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55544056

He's urging people to get out and vote, not self-suppress their vote, not create a self-fulling prophecy that elections don't matter.

He's a Republican; his urging is likely to benefit the Republican candidates; and I support him doing this 100%. It's the only way to actually have a democracy.

It's the only way to actually have a democracy.

I live in the UK. Take it from me, democracy is overrated.

But as Churchill said, DGR, all the other options are worse.

 Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio arrested after Black Lives Matter banner set on fire news.sky.com/story/proud-boys-leader-henry-tarrio-arrested-after-black-lives-matter-banner-set-on-fire-12179579

Looks like trouble up ahead.

@PerkingFaintly

But as Churchill said, DGR, all the other options are worse.

Is this the same Churchill Boris claims to be channelling ? If so, it's possible he was full of shit.

Democracy is two lions and a sheep deciding on lunch.

@Grrrpredictivetex

Looks like trouble up ahead.

Detailed account of Trump being wrong:

Georgia election: Donald Trump's phone call fact-checked
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55529230

@Cacacoisfarraige

Hopefully Dominion are just waiting until Trump is out of office to sue him too

The can sue him in office. We already know that "being POTUS" is no defence in law - civil or criminal.

I still can't help but feel Donnie is going to try and create a new defence in law: "I'm still President". Effectively daring the powers that be to go after him.

It's certainly a matter for scholarly debate (so of little interest to his supporters) as to whether it's possible he could never receive a fair jury trial in the US. Although I am aware there are millions of Americans who might feel no one can get a fair jury trial in the US.

[quote PerkingFaintly]Detailed account of Trump being wrong:

Georgia election: Donald Trump's phone call fact-checked
www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55529230[/quote]
Sigh.

And ?

Nothing - nothing at all - is going to change the mind of someone who doesn't want to change their mind.

There is a pitch-perfect exemplification of this in the series "Avenue 5" where people stupid themselves to death because they have convinced themselves - against all evidence to the contrary - that they aren't in space.

How many stories have we read of morons who don't think covid is real and who are now pushing up daisies ?

If it wasn't for the fact that I know there were already a load of fucking idiots out there, I'd be suggesting that Covid does affect the intelligence. But stupid is as stupid does.

I'm going to zoom with my American ILs tonight. They live in GA, one (at least) is a republican. Will be interesting to hear if he's an Trumpublican or an actual Republican though. I hope the latter!

Nicola Sturgeon has said to Trump...
"Don't even think about it!!*

Good

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18987754.nicola-sturgeon-warns-donald-trump-ban-travel-scotland-also-applies/