Is it right that Covid free Isle of Man and Guernsey receiving vaccines from the UK

[bunwell]

Whilst we are in the midst of this second wave, is it right that vaccines are being sent to Guernsey and the Isle of Man where they have no restrictions and are living a normal life? Surely they can wait a month until we have things under control

Have you taken on board my point OP that send vaccine to IoM and CI will most likely make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE to how quickly people are vaccinated in the UK because delivery is also limited by the number of people able to give the vaccine. Not sending vaccine to the islands would just mean us hoarding it here. Get it out, into people as fast as its produced.

The OP keeps referring to Islanders partying
I can assure them that my 90 FIL is not partying, just not seeing any family.

After reading your last few reply's op it's starting to sound like a Manx bashing thread . Your going on like all 86,000 of us are getting the vaccine before the uk ! We're getting 980 doses which will vaccinate 490 of our most vulnerable people not just those who fancy going "partying".

‘sodapoppinkypie

We're COVID free on the Isle of Man because 90% of us followed the rules and did as we were told’

I am totally in favour of the Isle of Man getting the vaccine but maybe give the smug self righteousness a rest?

There are many complex reasons why different places have been hit worse than others and anyone who thinks the places who have had it worst are just worse behaved can frankly fuck off. It is SO offensive.

I despise these goady toxic posts. The vaccine is a wonderful opportunity and we should be celebrating the roll out. The amount allocated to the Crown Territories is tiny and is actually quite sensible as they have small easily accessed populations that can be ringfenced - a Covid outbreak would be impossible to manage with the limited healthcare options.

This envy and spite is a horrid facet of the pandemic. The same joy sucking, pursed lipped posters are all over the vaccine posts questioning in one case why a NHS cleaner got the vax.

I had first yesterday- I was fortunate to be in a job role and an NHS Trust distribution area that allowed this and I feel so privileged. Of course my 87 year old father should have had it before me. He's got COPD and hasnt left home since March. But geography this week favoured me. He will get it. And I refuse to feel guilty. The Trust had some capacity on Sunday of the first batches which would have been wasted so they contacted none client facing NHS staff to offer the vaccine at very short notice. Better that than waste it.

@sodapoppinkypie

After reading your last few reply's op it's starting to sound like a Manx bashing thread . Your going on like all 86,000 of us are getting the vaccine before the uk ! We're getting 980 doses which will vaccinate 490 of our most vulnerable people not just those who fancy going "partying".

The OP makes it sound like entire population of islands are being vaccinated ahead of the vulnerable on the mainland. This is not the case. They ARE likely to complete vaccination of first tranche because of logistics Apparently Guernsey has set up a central vaccination centre at leisure complex.

And 8 have no problem with an NHS cleaner getting the jab

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

‘sodapoppinkypie

We're COVID free on the Isle of Man because 90% of us followed the rules and did as we were told’

I am totally in favour of the Isle of Man getting the vaccine but maybe give the smug self righteousness a rest?

There are many complex reasons why different places have been hit worse than others and anyone who thinks the places who have had it worst are just worse behaved can frankly fuck off. It is SO offensive.

But at the end of the day it's the truth. I'm not saying everybody in the uk flouted the rules but we didn't flock to the beaches in thousands during a bank holiday and we took all the precautions we should of . You only have to watch the news everyday to see why it's going wrong in the uk . The fact that a lot of people think we should be left to suffer (mental health is a massive issue on the island ) is frankly quite offensive .

All because the majority of us followed the rules and precautions and managed to become COVID free doesn't mean we should be penalised and our vulnerable are just as entitled to the vaccine as the uks are !

‘. The fact that a lot of people think we should be left to suffer (mental health is a massive issue on the island ) is frankly quite offensive .’

Ok, you be offended by that and I will be offended by your bigoted ignorance towards the people who live in the more densely populated parts of the UK.

Compliance with social distancing is one factor among many. To make out it is the only or main cause is sheer victim blaming of people who have suffered hugely.

Its not smug self righteousness. Manx people are trying to defend themselves by explaining. When we went into lockdown with everyone else in March, if we broke the rules, people were arrested.

If we hadn't contained the virus when we did, it would of resulted in so many more deaths, because our one hospital could not cope with the amount as it was. We don't have enough ventilators or beds.

I can't believe some people have this mindset.

Where will your vulnerable be at risk from Covid? What extra freedoms will you have when vaccinated? Visits to most of the world trying to contain Covid until more vaccine won’t be fun. Healthcare not available on island but on mainland may be overrun as health staff unvaccinated.

So the people who go across on a regular basis for hospital treatment don't deserve protection? Cancer patients who have no other choice, and who are already vulnerable, have to travel through the airport to the hospital, putting themselves at risk on a regular basis for life saving treatment, dont deserve the vaccine because the island doesn't have covid in the community?

This isn't so people can go on holiday and do what they want. The small amount of vaccines is hardly going to cover the population of the island anyway.

@bunwell

I love my island relatives and can’t wait to see them. However I feel other family members should have a vaccine first as they are at risk. My contribution to the vaccine is nil as I am not a scientist. We are a medical family and have two doctors working on Covid wards at high risk, also a research scientist involved in trials who is part of vaccine trial.

I smell so much bullshit here, it's hilarious.

But if that is not a lie, it is good to see that genetics have absolutely nothing to do with what we are or what we become.

I'm a 100% aware of the populated areas in the uk . I'm from London my nan is currently dying of cancer in London with my mum and sister struggling to care for her whilst I'm here not being able to help and it's absolutely killing me . I'm going to miss what is going to be her last Christmas. We have people who have to travel to the uk to have hospital treatments the vaccines will effectively give these people there life back ! I'm not sure if you've noticed op but covid is still all over the world so just because we're currently covid free in the community (we do currently have 3 isolated cases ) doesn't mean we will stay that way forever every person who applies to come over on compassionate grounds could potentially bring it back here .

But at the end of the day it's the truth.

It isn't though. With the massive international travel through mainland UK (London in particular) cases were always going to be higher here. No amount of "following the rules" was going to bring the UK mainland down to zero cases because so many people had to continue working.

I'm massively pro IoM getting a fair share of the vaccine, but the sanctimonious bullshit is pretty irritating.

@sodapoppinkypie

All because the majority of us followed the rules and precautions and managed to become COVID free doesn't mean we should be penalised and our vulnerable are just as entitled to the vaccine as the uks are !

You make it sound like you had a choice. From what I've heard/read, your "borders" were effectively closed and pretty severe restrictions imposed on people entering/leaving the Island, so you didn't really have the opportunity to break the rules and precautions did you? You were lucky that you could close your "borders" to protect yourselves.

Here on the mainland, the majority of people have "followed the rules and precautions" but have still lost their jobs, their businesses, had no opportunity to do socialising or attend events, etc.

Please don't make it sound like IOM residents have "behaved" better than mainland - that's not the case at all.

@sodapoppinkypie

We're COVID free on the Isle of Man because 90% of us followed the rules and did as we were told . Some of us can't leave the island to see family we may be free to do as we please on the island but as an island we're shut no one can come in or leave with out a faff. So considering we paid for the vaccines and haven't just been given them we should be allowed to get on with the vaccinations and be able to go back to completely normal in the next few months .

I have a soft spot for the IOM, but actually you're Covid free because you are a tiny island in the middle of the fecking sea. Even the IOM's capital is just a small sleepy town by English standards. You were never going to have the same experience as say London or Greater Manchester, and that has nothing to do with Manx people's supposed backbone

Oh and being a self-governing tiny island helps too. You could unilaterally shut your borders whenever, and your borders are ridiculously easy to police because they're the sea and you're tiny.

I'm totally pro-IOM getting access to the vaccine, but shaming people for happening to live in - say - one of Europe's largest busiest cities rather than a rural island micro-state is not helping you

If the uk NHS is on its knees how will your people receive their cancer care or any of the other procedure we carry out here on your behalf? Vaccinating those you rely on in COVID hit areas will benefit you? Vaccinated sick people on an island unable to get medical help as hospitals overwhelmed can’t be a good scenario. Let’s get them down fist do they can help all of us.

The IoM pays for its citizens to have cancer care in the UK (and I do know that for a fact because my mother was such a patient). And elderly vaccinated Manx citizens are a better bet in UK hospitals than unvaccinated...(like, they might not die of COVID caught from another patient/staff/taxi driver/plane passenger and waste all that expensive radiotherapy!)

My mother's been frightened by the transfers to Liverpool this year just because of the unknowns she is encountering (and the annoyance of 2 wks quarantine for the sake of one simple CT scan that takes half an hour but involves an exhausting 6am-6pm day)

I would like to see the people on the Islands who have no choice but to travel to hospital appointments regularly and come back to isolate receive the vaccine first. They are generally ill and vulnerable to infection anyway.
As for us being smug- most of us are not. We realise that we are only one irresponsible person away from having Covid back in the community and that could happen at any time.

@Hobbesmanc

I had first yesterday- I was fortunate to be in a job role and an NHS Trust distribution area that allowed this and I feel so privileged. Of course my 87 year old father should have had it before me. He's got COPD and hasnt left home since March. But geography this week favoured me. He will get it. And I refuse to feel guilty. The Trust had some capacity on Sunday of the first batches which would have been wasted so they contacted none client facing NHS staff to offer the vaccine at very short notice. Better that than waste it.

How is any of that relevant? Just bragging.

I understand you want vulnerable relatives vaccinated, we all do, but if the uk can’t provide the treatments as NHS workers aren’t vaccinated and service decimated they won’t get treatment. Having a functioning health service must be the best way to get care? Or will they administer treatment themselves?

The Isle of Man is Covid-free due to very strict restrictions. It's not about people doing as they were told (I am from the island, my fucking arse 90% did) but that the place can be shut off pretty easily. Nobles had plenty of Covid earlier this year. Now you get arrested stopping for petrol off the ferry, and get questioned for an hour at Douglas before they let you in.

Bunwell, the island is not partying and you sound like a right wank.