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Is it right that Covid free Isle of Man and Guernsey receiving vaccines from the UK

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bunwell · 15/12/2020 18:24

Whilst we are in the midst of this second wave, is it right that vaccines are being sent to Guernsey and the Isle of Man where they have no restrictions and are living a normal life? Surely they can wait a month until we have things under control

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Yugi · 15/12/2020 18:25

Are we going to have things under control in a month?

OverTheRainbow88 · 15/12/2020 18:25

Yup agreed.

We need to vaccine our CEV people who are public facing workers first.

OverTheRainbow88 · 15/12/2020 18:25

@Yugi

This time in a month will be the worst yet if all the Christmas mixing occurs

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bunwell · 15/12/2020 18:26

Even more reason to vaccinate here first and “save lives”.

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bunwell · 15/12/2020 18:28

975 to each island this week and more to follow next week as people here are dying

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LetMeTryAgain · 15/12/2020 18:30

I'm assuming the IoM government bought the vaccine?
Their vaccination programme is going to follow similar priority groups to the UK.

Madvixen · 15/12/2020 18:33

Guernsey has 7 intensive care beds to serve the island. An increase in admissions to those beds could be catastrophic. Hence why they are getting the vaccine as risk mitigation.

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bunwell · 15/12/2020 18:34

Yes, they are entitled to buy a proportional part of any UK vaccinations. However they are Covid free and no distancing, masks or restrictions (except on return to the island). Surely those in restrictions and dying
should be prioritised for the moment

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terfterf · 15/12/2020 18:34

There's a lot of people on the IoM who haven't seen their relations since the beginning of March - eg my mums friend in a care home who isn't expected to see January, and has gone down hill a lot in the last year, some of which is due to anxiety and distress at not seeing her son, daughter and grandchildren. So vaccinating those people might be seen as a priority?

The other issue is that anyone arriving on the IoM, eg visiting medics to the hospital, or care workers, has to self-isolate in hotels and B&Bs for 2 weeks. If the patients they're going to be working with have been vaccinated, then that quarantine won't be so necessary and the island won't be losing so many weeks of productivity, not to mention the ££ it entails.

Sideorderofchips · 15/12/2020 18:36

Yabu

Guernsey has 2 cases because they did the right thing

Would you say the same about jersey which is currently at 811, 30 in hospital for an island of 100000 people?

Nookable · 15/12/2020 18:45

All it takes is one person like this to be positive and covid is on the islands.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-55280466
There's been multiple breaches of their quarantine rules this year and with their healthcare systems if they couldn't contain any breaches it's likely they would be overwhelmed.

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bunwell · 15/12/2020 18:45

No jersey need the vaccine as they have the disease. The UK monumentally screwed up but we citizens shouldn’t have to die for it while vaccines go to places with no disease in the first instance.

People here are isolating for two weeks all the time. In Isle of Man you are then free from restrictions once completed and live normally. The care home persons children could visit and quarantine for two weeks and be free to visit, with no risk of death to anyone w

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WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 15/12/2020 18:47

Please don't.

Let's all just be a little bit patient & we will all be vaccinated fairly soon.

Personally I'm 51 & I have at least two underlying issues that make me vulnerable, (Covid age 85 on both the calculator) more vulnerable than a healthy 70 year old, yet they will get the vaccine before me.

The system cannot be perfect for such a large population.

No matter who gets vaccinated, in what order, we are all safer.

Try to just be thankful we have a vaccination.

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bunwell · 15/12/2020 18:47

If their situation is so dire surely they should have some restrictions then? There are currently none so any cases would spread fast

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Casschops · 15/12/2020 18:55

My sister isin IOM and can't visit we can't see her. Everyone has equal right to access a vaccine according to their priority.

ChloeCrocodile · 15/12/2020 19:00

Yes, it is absolutely right. I’m glad that vulnerable citizens of Guernsey and the Isle of Man are receiving the vaccine at the same time as the vulnerable citizens of (eg) London.

HiveHoofHole · 15/12/2020 19:07

@Sideorderofchips

Yabu

Guernsey has 2 cases because they did the right thing

Would you say the same about jersey which is currently at 811, 30 in hospital for an island of 100000 people?

Jersey has the virus because a rich person flew back in from central europe with the disease and hosted a big party.
terfterf · 15/12/2020 19:12

Sadly not many people have such generous leave entitlement that they can afford to spend two weeks quarantined in a hotel (paying for room service, and how do you entertain children?) before being able to spend a few days with their ill relative.

"The supply to the IoM will be proportionate to their population, ensuring equity across the British Isles" says a minister. Seems fair.

nosswith · 15/12/2020 19:14

Of course it is right. We may have abandoned the Channel Islands in 1940, let's not do it again.

crankysaurus · 15/12/2020 19:16

Very happy for them to, it's for prevention and care for their vulnerable, not recovery. I have relatives in the IoM and whole they are pretty much Covid free, the restriction on traveling to the mainland have had a big toll on them in their own way.

Leaannb · 15/12/2020 19:17

The people of IOM and Guernsey are not less than.

Cantrecall · 15/12/2020 19:30

When would be an appropriate time for the CI and IOM to get vaccines then? Why should they wait for 6/7 months whilst a percentage of the mainland is vaccinated? Not being goady I just think if a later start to vaccines occurred on the islands that date might kept getting pushed back and back for various reasons and that would be no use to anyone. The CI need the tourism back to normal(ish) by next summer. The hospitality sector in Jersey has been basically closed over Christmas at short notice over some selfish parties after the Island has tried so hard all year to curb the virus.

Tr1skel1on · 15/12/2020 19:53

@bunwell following on from your logic, surely people that live in Yemen or Syria or any number of other places far worse off than the UK should be receiving the vaccine first.

You should be waiting until they have all been vaccinated.

Kazzyhoward · 15/12/2020 19:58

@bunwell

Yes, they are entitled to buy a proportional part of any UK vaccinations. However they are Covid free and no distancing, masks or restrictions (except on return to the island). Surely those in restrictions and dying should be prioritised for the moment
Why? They are (IOM certainly, not 100% re Jersey) independent and have their own parliaments, etc. They're not part of the UK.
OrSomeSortOfWokAtTheVeryLeast · 15/12/2020 20:01

The iom has a population of around 84,000. We have one hospital, a very small amount of ventilators and a large number of elderly residents. I have relatives in England who I havent seen for a year, so I'm fully aware of the differences, but I dont think its fair to say no one over here is entitled to the vaccine.

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