Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal. I dint want to look at your stupid smirking faces anymore. Get off! Snakes of the highest order! Enough!

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I can’t bear to even look at them anymore, Even Boris can hardly find the words - or hide the shame. He has failed and this will be his legacy. Oven-ready deal indeed. Fools! AIBU?

buttery is also calm 😀

Thats two

flaviaritt so what if some people aren't feeling particularly calm?
I've got a tension headache from the whole shitshow today. Our household will be very personally affected - DH does a lot of work in Europe and his industry has already been absolutely hammered by covid.
Brexit even with a deal is going to be bad enough but this?

Also, Australia hasn't voluntarily voted to leave a major trading bloc it's been a member of for 40 years.

Johnson doesn't want a deal.

MaxNormal

Well, I suppose you can freak out about it if you like. There are no rules against it.

BJ looks so sheepish and furtive in the last few statements he’s given. It’s actually embarrassing to watch him try and put a positive spin on failure.

What an utter shambles.

Just hoping for some form of a deal today... What a waste of time all this has been.

'Calm down dear' has never really worked now, has it?

It’s a cliche used to quieten women - we have a right to be furious about this incompetence and corruption

Too fucking right.

To be fair, I’d say the same to men. There was a vote, it went ‘Leave’. That’s the democratic reality, unfortunately.

flaviaritt how kind of you. You too have my permission to freak out when your livelihood and future are being screwed on two fronts.

Although I'd say it was more of a range between seething rage and absolute despair, rather than freaking out as such. Nice use of trivialising language though.

Well, people can be angry if they want to, but their anger seems to be at democracy itself. If enough people want to exit a political union, they can, even if it’s a bad idea.

@Eleganz

Sadly he has an 80 seat majority and another 4 years to use it, handed to him by the British public.

There are plenty in the Tory party who think no deal is a victory.

And at the end of it, with any luck he’ll have killed the Tory party. He’s massively increased the chances of Wales, Scotland and N Ireland going for independence, if that happens the Tory party’s gone for ever.

@flaviaritt

To be fair, I’d say the same to men. There was a vote, it went ‘Leave’. That’s the democratic reality, unfortunately.

Absolutely not. Many reasons.

Firstly, we don't have that kind of democracy. The Swiss do and they vote on everything. We don't. There are different political systems and swapping randomly between them is a shit way to run a country.

Secondly, for major constitutional change you'd normally expect a super-majority (probably a two thirds majority). Basically because of what we've just seen. Massive, life-altering change which only about half of the population wants. The Brexit majority probably doesn't exist now. Super-majorities guard against this.

Thirdly, the referendum was a fucking opinion poll, not legally binding.

Fourthly (sic) it was illegally conducted and had it been a legally binding plebiscite, it would have been thrown out.

Fifthly, plebiscites require an engaged, well-informed, educated populace which understands the issues. This was not the case. It's irresponsible to run a plebiscite without first informing properly. I don't do it running small ones with less than 3000 people and with much less life-changing decisions. Why on earth would you do it on this?

So no, the last thing this is is 'democratic'.

Firstly, we don't have that kind of democracy. The Swiss do and they vote on everything. We don't. There are different political systems and swapping randomly between them is a shit way to run a country.

We do have that kind of democracy, sometimes. That’s what a referendum is. It’s perfectly legitimate.

Secondly, for major constitutional change you'd normally expect a super-majority (probably a two thirds majority). Basically because of what we've just seen. Massive, life-altering change which only about half of the population wants. The Brexit majority probably doesn't exist now. Super-majorities guard against this.

Based on what?

Thirdly, the referendum was a fucking opinion poll, not legally binding.

Not legally binding, but the vote was offered on the basis that the outcome would be followed. So it was followed.

Fourthly (sic) it was illegally conducted and had it been a legally binding plebiscite, it would have been thrown out.

Really? How so?

Fifthly, plebiscites require an engaged, well-informed, educated populace which understands...

They don’t require this. It’s better if they have it but no, they don’t require it.

I'm never short of amazement that this is actually happening.

It took a special type of wanker to vote conservative in December 19, knowing what sort of a twerp he is.

I have literally no sympathy or time for those people. Idiots.

The referendum ballot paper had actual lies on it. Hardly democratic in any sense

The referendum ballot paper had actual lies on it. Hardly democratic in any sense

Did it?!?

The referendum ballot paper had actual lies on it. Hardly democratic in any sense

And I take it there was a robust legal challenge to this?

Sorry but the Labour Party also really messed up allowing Corbyn to run in the last election, many votes lost due to that. The current situation is a terrible shambles. However, I still believe Boris Johnson is too much of a coward to follow through with a no deal. If it results in a terrible situation, there will be a full inquiry into all of it and I just don’t think he will want to face that. I think he will compromise somehow. It doesn’t make sense not to - eventually there will have to be a trading deal of sorts with the EU and going into a vacuum with nothing for a few weeks or months makes no sense.

So who's backing Brexit????

I've just been planning my food stockpile that will last approx one month. Going shopping for it tomorrow.
I had a horrible feeling that Brexit would be a no deal but no one I know would listen to me!!
I've also warned everyone I know to stock up on food & meds but again no one's listening.

I take 5 different meds that keep me a) alive and b) sane and I've got enough to last nearly 2 months now. Ordering more tomorrow. My GP doesn't seem to have noticed that I'm stockpiling my meds luckily.

Who will benefit from Brexit- well Putin of course as the UK will be destabilised. We have troops in the Baltic States currently which he does not like.
The Tories' main donors are Russians who are mates with Putin and Boris put Lebedev's son in the Lords... I'm sorry but whose side is Boris on exactly.

Oh well as long as the fishermen are ok. Sod the other 99% of the country.

This!!!!

*I'm never short of amazement that this is actually happening.

It took a special type of wanker to vote conservative in December 19, knowing what sort of a twerp he is.

I have literally no sympathy or time for those people. Idiots.*

And this!!!!