Boris Johnson and your disingenuous divs - How dare you try and spin a NoDeal. I dint want to look at your stupid smirking faces anymore. Get off! Snakes of the highest order! Enough!

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I can’t bear to even look at them anymore, Even Boris can hardly find the words - or hide the shame. He has failed and this will be his legacy. Oven-ready deal indeed. Fools! AIBU?

@randomchap

He doesn't have a mandate to do this. The manifesto states:

We will negotiate a trade agreement next
year – one that will strengthen our Union –
and we will not extend the implementation
period beyond December 2020. In parallel,
we will legislate to ensure high standards of
workers’ rights, environmental protection
and consumer rights.

No deal breaks this

Manifestos are not legally binding and never have been.

The vast majority of politicians are liars, cheats and charlatans and will always work for the best interests of themselves and their friends.

If anyone still has any doubt about this then they should look closer at where the millions and millions have gone during lockdown.

Just listened to Turnbull on LBC. What a nasty mendacious piece of work! And he's the trade advisor to BJ. Incredible. Populist nasty bullshit.

Just listened to Turnbull on LBC. What a nasty mendacious piece of work! And he's the trade advisor to BJ. Incredible. Populist nasty bullshit.

Sorry, mistake: it was Tony Abbott of course.

Did anyone actually think he could manage this? I've always said he's a complete buffoon, yet people think he's intelligent. I've yet to see any evidence of any type of intelligence.

Hope the leavers who voted for this leave the food that remains to the ones who didn't want this. This is their fault after all. Not like there wasn't any info on this.

He achieved a huge majority to “ get Brexit done “. And as Theresa May said right from the start, you are either in the EU or you are not. What the government were trying to do was agree the same terms the EU offered Canada and Japan. For what ever reason, a mixture of fear and punishment , the EU are offering terms that no country on the planet would sign up to. The Australian deal was always an option. That has never been hidden. You’re just an embittered sneering leftie remoaner.

Please explain what the Australian Deal is because one of Australia's former Prime Ministers says it isn't an Australian Deal. And that we wouldn't want the Deal Australia actually has and is trying to improve.

@bellinisurge I heard that about the Australia Deal from their former Prime Minister. It wasn't positive at all

Go and buy a used car. Tell the guy you will not leave without one and will accept any deal he offers. Then come back and report because god knows we could all do with a laugh right now

Did anyone actually think he could manage this? I've always said he's a complete buffoon, yet people think he's intelligent. I've yet to see any evidence of any type of intelligence

My dad thinks johnson is very intelligent, but thats because johnson is posh and knows latin

Are people really falling for the Australian Deal bullshit? Or are the paid shills out in force again?

Australian deal = No deal

He's a total embarrassment and charlatan. Don't bother trying to excuse it with the 'all politicians are liars' crap. The gaslighting he and his pals have carried out is on another level. And there's no such thing as an Australian deal!

how did we lose our fishing industry ? Was under the impression we sold off our quotas voluntarily.....

I may be misunderstanding here, but I thought it was like this:

Prior to joining the EEC we didn't have quotas, we had exclusive access to our own waters. One price of joining the EEC was that we gave this up. Fishing rights within our waters were then controlled by Europe and divvied up amongst various nations. We only got a relatively small quota and it was no longer economic for most of our boats to fish. Hence a lot of them were laid up and the quota sold to other nations.

AFAIK Brexit doesn't affect those deals, or needn't. The question is what should happen to the other quotas that went to France, Spain and so on when we joined the EEC. And who should be responsible for governing and administering any quotas.

I'm not pro-Brexit at all, but unless I'm missing something, this idea that Brexit is somehow a trick to take back fishing quotas that were sold off is not correct.

@Songsofexperience

It's just absolute madness. Just gave a brief summary of the sad state of affairs here to a friend living in the US and who hadn't followed the Brexit saga. She was appalled (and Lord knows they know what crazy is over there)

We really do know what is crazy over here. The thing we can't figure out this early raining Sunday morning as we eat breakfast after our husband's went out to sea is this. So this is a live time question from American Fisherman wives... You (general) sold over half of your fishing quotas to foreign countries and now you are demanding them back. How does that work? Are you going to buy them back or are you just going to board ships and arrest them for doing something perfectly legal. You guys tried that one time. It got really bloody. Quickly. So someone educate us American Fishermen wives because we are confused. American media isn't really touching this and we keep finding conflicting information on the web..

We should call it the Narnia Deal. Or the Uranus Deal.

@heronsinflight

how did we lose our fishing industry ? Was under the impression we sold off our quotas voluntarily.....

I may be misunderstanding here, but I thought it was like this:

Prior to joining the EEC we didn't have quotas, we had exclusive access to our own waters. One price of joining the EEC was that we gave this up. Fishing rights within our waters were then controlled by Europe and divvied up amongst various nations. We only got a relatively small quota and it was no longer economic for most of our boats to fish. Hence a lot of them were laid up and the quota sold to other nations.

AFAIK Brexit doesn't affect those deals, or needn't. The question is what should happen to the other quotas that went to France, Spain and so on when we joined the EEC. And who should be responsible for governing and administering any quotas.

I'm not pro-Brexit at all, but unless I'm missing something, this idea that Brexit is somehow a trick to take back fishing quotas that were sold off is not correct.

So why have gunships been deployed to the Channel? What is this about each ship and crew has to owned and crewed by 60 percent UK with 60 percent of catch sold on UK soil?

@Pyewhacket

He achieved a huge majority to “ get Brexit done “. And as Theresa May said right from the start, you are either in the EU or you are not. What the government were trying to do was agree the same terms the EU offered Canada and Japan. For what ever reason, a mixture of fear and punishment , the EU are offering terms that no country on the planet would sign up to. The Australian deal was always an option. That has never been hidden. You’re just an embittered sneering leftie remoaner.

ODFOD

This was all so, so obvious from the beginning. Why would the EU give us preferential terms - there was absolutely no way this was ever going to happen, with or without the utter fuckwits in charge.

@nicky7654

Very pleased! Boris has grown a pair and not being bullied by the corrupt EU! Fingers crossed for a no deal. We may eventually get back our fishing industry and build up the fishing towns again. And stop the factory ships coming over and destroying the fish stocks!

Fishing is a tiny part of our economy. We’re destroying all these relationships for a few marginal votes.

Bloody hell. Everyone needs to calm down. I didn’t want Brexit (it was always a shit plan), but it’s the democratic outcome. It is legitimate. We’ll get the best deal we can, or no deal, and we’ll manage.

I am beginning to wonder if the negotiations are intentionally being continued until after the Parliamentary recess begins (Thursday?). So Mr Johnson does not have to face the Commons to explain why no deal has been reached.

Everyone needs to calm down

I am calm, loads of posters are calm

Its very hard to tell calmness from a post

Liars. Corrupt. Racist. Incompetent.

How can we get rid of them? Surely we don’t have to wait til the next election 😡

Perfectly calm, thank you. Just very disappointed that our country has been let down in this way by poor leadership from selfish, corrupt politicians. I personally aspire to better than 'we'll manage' for my country, especially when the outcome was avoidable. Wasn't it Johnson himself who said that no deal would be a failure of statecraft?

I am calm, loads of posters are calm

Sure. Lots do not sound particularly calm, though.

We can only hope that those who have engineered this situation will get what's coming to them one day.

All talk of an Australia-style deal is complete bollocks. Australia is on the other side of the world and doesn't need a close trading arrangement with the EU like the UK does. It has plenty of trade agreements with the Pacific rim countries that are geographically close to it.

Butterymuffin

It will be a failure, yes. But it was always a possibility. Anyone who believed a deal could be guaranteed by one party (and voted on such a ridiculous idea) is a fool. But we will manage.