To find drag queens offensive?

[MrsMummy500]

AIBU to find drag queens really bloody offensive?

I hate the term offensive, it’s bandied around far too often at far too insignificant things (am aware this may be one of them). BUT, men dressing up as some fetishised version of a man made ideal of a woman really pisses me off. Hyper hair, max make up, drink in hand, revealing clothes.

I do not know a single woman like that. It riles me and I feel like I’m unable to express it as women have lost so much of their space to LGBTQ+ community (I perceive this, I don’t say it as a fact).
potential bomb drop alert but if white people are taken down (rightly IMO) for ‘blacking up’ should it be acceptable for men to parody women in the form of drag queens.

Ps- I do not buy for one minute that they are celebrating the female form with balloon breasts. It feels more like a piss take.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

Why is the appropriation of women OK? We figured out decades ago that minstrels were racist because it was appropriation mixed with caricatures of POC - but the same WRT is celebrated through TV shows, movies, campaigns, etc.

And we expect drag queens to be under the LGBT breaks? Fuck off!

While I'm here I get fucked off too when men play women's roles because they want to portray a buxom woman. I groaned all the way through Matilda (the stage show), a man played Miss Trunchbull, so a part was taken away from women.

@BrumBoo
Because a trans person isn’t dressing as the opposite gender as a caricature
They truly believe they should be that gender - it’s a lifestyle Not a poke at natural born females

I never put any thought into it until the whole story time thing and then I realised that if I went to a library dressed like that I would be given a warning from my employer and probably not be allowed anywhere near the children - and that's my problem. It seems like they can wear traditionally female clothing but in situations that women absolutely could not, doesn't sit right with me at all.

It feels like a piss take because it is a piss take.
Ive never seen a convincing argument for drag in comparison to blackface.
Its grotesque.
Even cbbc had a programme about it.
Long skinny effeminate boy, couldn't sing or dance but was lauded because hes wearing a dress.
They should have gave that spot to a girl with a talent.

[quote Heatherjayne1972]@BrumBoo
Because a trans person isn’t dressing as the opposite gender as a caricature
They truly believe they should be that gender - it’s a lifestyle Not a poke at natural born females[/quote]
@heatherjayne1972

How can you believe yourself to be a woman rather than actually be one though? What is gender if not just exactly what drag is, a stereotype of what a man thinks a woman should be? Again, the race vs sex argument applies, a white person cannot believe themselves to be black, it's a highly offensive ideology. Yet men can 'think' themselves into being women and it's a good/normal thing? Being a woman, or a sexuality or a race is not a 'belief in one's mind' or a lifestyle choice. Dont belittle women by reducing our sex to something that's easily replicated if you want to.

Or even a boy with a talent tbf.
Can kids even consent to exposure like that?
Doubt it.
Dont get me started on drag story time.
My kid is going no where near that shit.
It adds nothing

I find it very offensive, always creeped me out growing up

@OlympicProcrastinator

I agree. I’ve always found It deeply offensive. There has been lots of articles about why it’s not the same and why it’s not offensive but it’s not up to other people to make claims about what is or is not offensive. It’s about the people it offends.

Women do not parody men and mock them in the same way. It’s awful, offensive and blatant mysoginy.

Actually they do. I've seen some fabulous acts at shows which are exactly this.

I agree too. I saw Grayson Perry on HIGNFY a few days ago in his huge bouffant Thatcher hairdo, and I found him insulting and ridiculous.

Just fed up of men pretending to be women in any way and everyone’s meant to applaud. Pretend it’s art, pretend they really are women, emperor’s bloody new clothes. It’s gross. And for God’s sake keep them all away from children.

@Eckhart No, I haven't met all the drag queens in the world, silly.
I havent RTFT so the conversation may have moved on, I was responding to the OP who generalised about the idea of drag queens being offensive, not specific acts.

I was sharing my experience which is as valid as yours.
I'm not saying I love drag acts. I'm saying I love (some of) the people who perform in drag.

My understanding of drag was that it started out as a way for gay men to say a big ‘fuck you’ to the toxic masculinity of heterosexual men by adopting hyper-femininity, or even hyper androgyny.

But over the years it seems to have morphed into another kind of misogyny with cruel parodies of female stereotypes. I hate it now.

Look at the shocking situation where a young boy is lauded in New York as a drag queen!

I went on a hen do in Leeds about 12 years ago to some godawful place called the Birdcage and I absolutely hated it. Had no interest in it. I think you've just summed it up for me. I hate drag.

Desmond is not amazing; he is a confused , exploitated adolescent who parades himself in clubs in front of disgusting men. Is that the future of drag?

And for God’s sake keep them all away from children

Why?
What do you think they're going to do?

Hate it. Really shit and offensive to me as a woman. Turn over whenever it comes on, which seems to be a lot atm.

@Quaagars

And for God’s sake keep them all away from children

Why?
What do you think they're going to do?

Drag queens are adult entertainment. Also, let's not celebrate appropriation to the next generation

Honestly they seem just like an ugly cariacature but are so far removed from what most real women and girls look like as to be an entirely separate gender and thus one I ignore and consider irrelevant to my biological sex.

I've never understood the point of it, its pathetic and I've wondered what Michelle Visage is for many a time as well. Yes it's misogynistic, yes it's offensive and why this isn't as clear as day for anyone with eyes in their head I don't know.

Oh yes, poor child drag queens. Awful.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/desmond-napoles-gender-identity-ideology/amp/

"In December 2018, Desmond, imitating Gwen Stefani, performed at a Brooklyn gay bar in a wig and crop-top as hooting adult men threw dollar bills. When outraged critics descended, Wendylou accused them of “blatant homophobia.”"

Really not a suitable childhood upbringing.

Drag queens are adult entertainment

I'd have hardly thought they were going to start a strip show or on sex jokes in the middle of a children's story
As for appropriation, that's obviously a matter of opinion.

I remember last year a drag queen called Flow Job went into a school, took photos of the kids without the parents permission and uploaded them on the internet alongside some explicit stuff.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5320992/drag-queen-school-flow-job-pictures-children-parents/