Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

EU blackmailing the UK

999 replies

houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 05:31

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
7
RedToothBrush · 11/12/2020 16:52

@ghostyslovesheets

a list?
  1. GFA
2.GFA 3.GFA 4.GFA 5.GFA 6.GFA 7.GFA 8.GFA 9.GFA 10.GFA 11.GFA 12.GFA
Pretty good list that one.

Do you think the OP knows what GFA stands for? Or just thinks that certain people for whom the GFA is directly relevant for should 'fuck off to another country' for not being patrotic enough?

TonMoulin · 11/12/2020 16:53

@houseinthesnow

befuddled My old cleaner claimed benefits and most definitely does have a house in Poland she was renting out for years. Who is checking? And how would they? It is in her mother's name conveniently. So are you now understanding why that might be a problem for homeless UK based families?
So you mean your cleaners mum owns a house? How dare she? I mean you’re right. Anyone who has a parent who owns a house should be excluded from receiving any benefits.

Benefit scroungers. All of them.
I mean she might never get the house as an inheritance because of care cost etc... but they are clearly loaded if as pensioner, they have a house. Who has a house in this country apart from the very rich?

RedToothBrush · 11/12/2020 16:53

@houseinthesnow

ghosty and there it is!! You just can not argue with the truth, so you resort to low level posts like that. Sad.

Great example befuddled how is that list coming along? It is just going to be 'shitter' wow, is that the best you can do? The remain position is clearly very weak, even worse than I thought.

Sad. Bigly.
DGRossetti · 11/12/2020 16:54

Great example befuddled how is that list coming along? It is just going to be 'shitter' wow, is that the best you can do? The remain position is clearly very weak, even worse than I thought.

Ah, the old "Leave was just 'not remain'" argument . Or lack thereof.

Original poster
houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 16:54

befuddled

she had to declare her income, and either her income met the threshold or it didn't

And do you really really think that people do this?? Can anyone be that stupid and naive? Really?

OP posts:
ghostyslovesheets · 11/12/2020 16:56

@houseinthesnow

ghosty and there it is!! You just can not argue with the truth, so you resort to low level posts like that. Sad.

Great example befuddled how is that list coming along? It is just going to be 'shitter' wow, is that the best you can do? The remain position is clearly very weak, even worse than I thought.

can you explain what's wrong with that list - do you know what the GFA is?
FastMovingLuxuryGoods · 11/12/2020 16:56

I think the OP thinks GFA is a rude acronym, actually. Hence her rather odd response.

BefuddledPerson · 11/12/2020 16:57

@houseinthesnow

befuddled

she had to declare her income, and either her income met the threshold or it didn't

And do you really really think that people do this?? Can anyone be that stupid and naive? Really?

The rate of benefit fraud is statistically low, so yes, I do believe it.

You don't seem to know very much about life in Britain for such a 'patriotic' person!

TonMoulin · 11/12/2020 16:57

@houseinthesnow

befuddled

she had to declare her income, and either her income met the threshold or it didn't

And do you really really think that people do this?? Can anyone be that stupid and naive? Really?

Why @houseinthesnow, you dint declare all of your income?!?

And then you moan about about homeless people? That’s really shitty of you.

ghostyslovesheets · 11/12/2020 16:59

@FastMovingLuxuryGoods

I think the OP thinks GFA is a rude acronym, actually. Hence her rather odd response.
Yeah that's surely the only explanation for that response! Very odd - I think the GFA is one of the really serious issues here
Original poster
houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 16:59

ton Keep up. The cleaner owns a house, she puts it in her mother's name in Poland, she then collects rent via her mother whilst she is here. Once here she gets a job, gets sacked and applies for housing and benefits here. She has after all two young children. So after she is housed, and is collecting benefits and enjoys her life here immensely because it is much nicer - obviously than working relentless hours in Poland, she spends years dipping in and out of cash only jobs here to top up to the tune of 200-300gbp a week and sends much of that home. Meanwhile she does not pay for anything here, because she does not have to. In the meantime her nest egg builds up nicely in Poland. Its great for them.

What part of that are you not following?

I am happy for her don't get me wrong, she is a lovely lovely person - and when she eventually started working for us she declared her small income and was still given benefits.

OP posts:
Eleganz · 11/12/2020 16:59

We have been waiting over six years for a remainer list, and there is still no coherent idea as to why anyone would want to stay beyond a second home pipe dream, and the chance to live and work there, which you can do anyway with a visa!

I would love to see a long list of at least 12 points please of why on earth we would ever stay!

www.europeanmovement.co.uk/reasons_to_remain_in_the_european_union

There is a 16 point list. All points that were made during the referendum campaign in mainstream media.

You haven't been waiting for a list, you have been actively ignoring it.

Original poster
houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 17:01

I am still waiting for the remainer list........I am getting tired and hungry can someone fast track it please.

OP posts:
BefuddledPerson · 11/12/2020 17:01

@ghostyslovesheets

The list is very long, but what's the point? People who voted for Brexit heard it all during the referendum, and didn't believe it then. They don't believe it now.

If you want to know why I think we should have remained, return to the original campaign material (am sure you read it all carefully in 2016) and that'll sum it up well enough.

FastMovingLuxuryGoods · 11/12/2020 17:02

OP do you know what GFA stands for?

Eleganz · 11/12/2020 17:02

I am still waiting for the remainer list........I am getting tired and hungry can someone fast track it please.

Are you serious?

Original poster
houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 17:05

eleganz Did you actually read that rubbish before linking it? Did you?
Quite apart from the endless typos, there is nothing of substance at all. It is all about what the EU COULD do for us, rather than what it ACTUALLY does.
I am very disappointed if that is all you can come up with.

Living in the EU is not a benefit to anyone that does not want to move, have you tried to get a job in Italy lately? Or Spain? Or France for that matter? I think you will find there are precious few jobs there, and the unemployment rates are sky high - and any jobs that are available immediately and quite rightly go to the desperate local people, and not to some brit on a jolly.

OP posts:
ghostyslovesheets · 11/12/2020 17:05

but EU citizen in the UK can only get contribution based employment support , carers allowances (as tax payers) or IN WORK benefits - they can't get benefits unemployed UK people get - so how was your Polish Cleaner getting UC, housing benefit etc if she was not working?

ghostyslovesheets · 11/12/2020 17:07

@houseinthesnow

do you know what GFA is? I gave you my list - you didn;t seem to understand it but it's valid and it stands - so what are your thoughts? Is the GFA important?

Daphnise · 11/12/2020 17:07

In case posters here don't realise, we have already left the EU.

Our time in it was a mere blip.

Those who wanted to stay had their chance, and lost.

The Country will survive, but not be helped by all this bitter moaning.

Buddytheelf85 · 11/12/2020 17:08

I can never work out what the majority Brexiteer view on a no-deal Brexit is.

Is it a) a terrible outcome but entirely the EU’s fault and a price worth paying for Taking Back Control or b) a good outcome that won’t affect us at all because we’re so great?

FastMovingLuxuryGoods · 11/12/2020 17:08

OP can you tell us what GFA stands for and why you don't think it's relevant to the Brexit debate?

BefuddledPerson · 11/12/2020 17:08

Points 8, 9, 10 and 16 are especially important to me from the list @eleganz posted.

I also favour strong data protection, strong anti-tax evasion action, strong cross-border policing/security and international health research. I think all these things will be worse after we leave.

Things I think will be worsened by leaving include:

Waiting times for travel
Cost of food and other goods
Recruitment of e.g. nurses, doctors,dentists
Fewer new businesses
Fewer educational options for my children
.... this list could be 100 items long.

RedToothBrush · 11/12/2020 17:09

Keeps changing the subject back to her Eastern European 'scrounger cleaner', who I'm not remotely interested in because I think everyone working here should be allowed to save and spend as they like on equal terms. Cos I'm not xenophobic nor expecting someone to clean my house and not think about their future wellbeing. Strangely enough there was nothing stopping someone from the UK saving up a nest egg to retire to Poland if they desired which might be what some people had planned to do...

I'm still hearing those damn tumbleweeds elsewhere though.

I'd like houseinthesnows critic of my list still.

Or a comment on the GFA and patrotism.

Living in the EU is not a benefit to anyone that does not want to move, have you tried to get a job in Italy lately? Or Spain? Or France for that matter? I think you will find there are precious few jobs there, and the unemployment rates are sky high - and any jobs that are available immediately and quite rightly go to the desperate local people, and not to some brit on a jolly

Hmm depends on your industry tbh... same as here.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 11/12/2020 17:10

'I'm not arguing with stupid. I'm just leaving you to it. I'm in Scotland, will be voting for independence and good riddance.'

So you want independence from the UK with all its very favourable Barnet consequentials, but you don't think the UK should be free from the unelected bunch in Brussels. Is that you Nippy?

Tbf I agree with you on the good riddance bit.