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EU blackmailing the UK

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houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 05:31

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

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ghostyslovesheets · 11/12/2020 16:39

People are playing the system, and some are making a tidy sum thanks to the UK taxpayer

but they ARE UK Tax Payers!

DGRossetti · 11/12/2020 16:39

nice annology - Brexit is very like the Titanic - that turned out well didn't it? Especially for the poorer passangers

JRMs response was they should have bought better tickets. Or got their nannies to.

BefuddledPerson · 11/12/2020 16:41

Oh don't be silly. If they own a home in Poland they're not entitled to benefits. FFS. Stop inventing a benefits system to suit your argument.

And we've just as many people popping to Spain for treatment.

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houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 16:42

We have been waiting over six years for a remainer list, and there is still no coherent idea as to why anyone would want to stay beyond a second home pipe dream, and the chance to live and work there, which you can do anyway with a visa!

I would love to see a long list of at least 12 points please of why on earth we would ever stay!

Yes you can scream and shout that we must remain, but why? To the every day person that doesn't plan on relocating to Berlin, or can only dream of having enough money to buy a bloody house in France - what are the advantages exactly?

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ghostyslovesheets · 11/12/2020 16:43

JRMs response was they should have bought better tickets. Or got their nannies to

Exactly - and if they had believed in the power of UK boat building it wouldn;t have sunk in the first place!

DGRossetti · 11/12/2020 16:43

I've also been critical of remainers being unrealistic and not spotting the most for the best deal available.

The best deal available was being a full member of the EU.

Anything else by definition cannot be as good.

I'll leave you to ponder on the practicalities of trying to motivate someone who didn't want to move in the first place to trying to gauge the factors of a lesser property. Especially when it was the job of the leavers - to a person - to get what they wanted.

If now - after four fucking years - they feel remainers should have pulled in, they need to explain why 52% of the population wasn't enough to get what they wanted ?

RedToothBrush · 11/12/2020 16:44

Titanic was unsinkable. The very finest of British design and craftmanship.

Don't be unpatrotic and say there may have been problems with its construction. If we had been more behind our ship building industry no one on board would have died.

TheSandman · 11/12/2020 16:44

I'm not arguing with stupid. I'm just leaving you to it.

I'm in Scotland, will be voting for independence and good riddance.

Amen to that, brother/sister. For all this banging on about
"our country" the OP does s/he has singularly failed to notice that the UK is not A country but two, joined in a union.

One voted to stay in the EU the other didn't.

I say we leave them to it too.

Bookworming · 11/12/2020 16:44

@houseinthesnow and thousands of British people are cheating their own system, so what do you suggest for them?

RedToothBrush · 11/12/2020 16:44

@DGRossetti

I've also been critical of remainers being unrealistic and not spotting the most for the best deal available.

The best deal available was being a full member of the EU.

Anything else by definition cannot be as good.

If now - after four fucking years - they feel remainers should have pulled in, they need to explain why 52% of the population wasn't enough to get what they wanted ?

Well yes... but we decided we didn't want that...

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houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 16:44

befuddled My old cleaner claimed benefits and most definitely does have a house in Poland she was renting out for years. Who is checking? And how would they? It is in her mother's name conveniently.
So are you now understanding why that might be a problem for homeless UK based families?

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ghostyslovesheets · 11/12/2020 16:45

a list?

2.GFA 3.GFA 4.GFA 5.GFA 6.GFA 7.GFA 8.GFA 9.GFA 10.GFA 11.GFA 12.GFA

woodhill · 11/12/2020 16:46

I think some of the immigrants do build houses in their original country with what they earn in the .uK and live here cheaply. Not necessarily those from the EU.

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houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 16:46

book oh thats okay then lets just bankroll the continent! Why not, lets see if we can get a few other countries to sign up so they can come here too!

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ghostyslovesheets · 11/12/2020 16:46

and if your old cleaner lived in the UK - worked, paid taxes and had a house 'in her mothers name' she would also be entitled to benefit - unless you where paying her cash in hand she would be paying tax in the UK, paying rent in the UK and entiled to claim benefits in the UK

BefuddledPerson · 11/12/2020 16:47

Reasons to remain:

It's going to be shitter after we leave. Sadly.

EnPoinsettia · 11/12/2020 16:47

Give it a rest Alf.

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houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 16:48

wood Bang on! Our chap from the car wash has just finished building his family house, it looks incredible from the photos on his phone - with two acres of farmland. Fantastic for him - less so for those that have no housing here with small kids.

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TeenyTinyDustinHoffman · 11/12/2020 16:49

You have no place living here if you do not want the best for this country, if you are not prepared to stand up for it, to care about it. I suggest you do some travelling and go and live in a few different countries, then come back and see if you feel the same way. You sound entitled, ungrateful and lacking in any positivity whatsoever. An asset I am sure we can do without.

There is such an incredible lack of introspective here. The person you have described has been your average Brexiteer since someone offered them the EU as the cause of all the problems in this country. By your logic, all the people complaining about the EU (while quite happily benefitting from EU subsidies, from freedom of movement, from the prosperity garnered by being part of the biggest trading bloc in in the world) shouldn't have bothered voting on it, they should have just fucked off elsewhere!

I like this country. It's why I voted to remain. This does not mean that I think that the EU should bend to the will of the UK in the name of British exceptionalism. We voted to leave the EU. We left the EU. We are being treated as a country outside of the EU. Just like you always wanted.

I don't think that, come 2021, the UK is going to become a third world country. We are still, on a global scale, going to be pretty wealthy. But we were better off in the EU. A select few will benefit from Brexit, most will not.

BefuddledPerson · 11/12/2020 16:49

@houseinthesnow

befuddled My old cleaner claimed benefits and most definitely does have a house in Poland she was renting out for years. Who is checking? And how would they? It is in her mother's name conveniently. So are you now understanding why that might be a problem for homeless UK based families?

Sorry but that's nonsense. She had to declare her income, and either her income met the threshold or it didn't. Either her asset was worth nothing and brought in little income, or she couldn't claim benefits.

TrollTheRespawnJeremy · 11/12/2020 16:49

@houseinthesnow

book oh thats okay then lets just bankroll the continent! Why not, lets see if we can get a few other countries to sign up so they can come here too!

Maybe they can all work as your cleaners. You can have a whole smorgasbord of them.

ithoughtitwouldbeokay · 11/12/2020 16:49

The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel

@houseinthesnow, could you kindly explain your thoughts behind the above sentence that you put in your first post please? I'm slightly baffled.

RedToothBrush · 11/12/2020 16:50

@houseinthesnow

I would love to see a long list of at least 12 points please of why on earth we would ever stay!

I posted my pre-ref thoughts on that upthread...

....to a complete tumbleweed from you.

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houseinthesnow · 11/12/2020 16:52

ghosty and there it is!! You just can not argue with the truth, so you resort to low level posts like that. Sad.

Great example befuddled how is that list coming along? It is just going to be 'shitter' wow, is that the best you can do? The remain position is clearly very weak, even worse than I thought.

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4cats2kids · 11/12/2020 16:52

Well I’m a remainer. I think this highlights what a bad idea leaving the EU is.

YABU

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