EU blackmailing the UK

[houseinthesnow]

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

ghost

Meanwhile, everyone here will be pleased at this news.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55265286

The final design of a statue to 19th Century Sikh soldiers has been unveiled as the last stage of work begins.

The 3m-high (10ft) sculpture, by artist Luke Perry, is due to be erected in Wednesfield, Wolverhampton, in September.

The clay model will be painted in wax before being cast in bronze.

It commemorates the Battle of Saragarhi. Although little-known, it is considered by some military historians as one of history's great last-stands.

During the battle on 12 September 1897, 21 Sikhs died defending a British army post from 10,000 Afghan tribesmen.

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which reminds us how many brave men from all over the British Empire gave their lives fighting for Britain.

Anyone who's in the Midlands when all this Covid nonsense has settled could do worse than pop into Birmingham museum and art gallery to see their display on all the soldiers from India that fought in WW1 and WW2.

There are no winners - no 'we were right all along etc..

You're confused. We all lose here, that doesn't mean we can't say we were right all along, because WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!

Every shitty thing that is happening is what we told you would happen, and you called it Project Fear scaremongering. And now you keep banging on pretending that everything is really great, and freedom is all that matter.

Well, we were fucking right, and you were wrong, and you're still wrong, and we are furious at you. So why the fuck should we not say so? You have royally screwed us all over, for nothing.

@houseinthesnow

I would say that to anyone that hates this country so much as to actively campaign against and wish for the very worst to happen to us, really needs to move elsewhere for their OWN benefit.

Why stay in a country and be so openly hostile? Plenty of places to live that are so much better after all. I genuinely think that we can do without the moaning minnies. I do sometimes wonder if they are just negative about everything, and this is another whinge, or whether they save up all their hatred for their country. I believe in our country, as do millions of others. The very least you can do, is get behind the country now - if you can't do it for yourself you should do it for your kids.

Some of you are a disgrace.

I have campaigned for the best for this country. I could get behind Brexit, if there was a cohensive strategy which acknowledges the problem of Other Countries Also Having Soverignty. I've said this a long time. I've also been critical of remainers being unrealistic and not spotting the most for the best deal available.

Nothing I've done or said has changed the course of action this PM and the previous one did.

Saying that people are a disgrace for not being raving nationalists with a thin grip on reality won't change anything at this point. It is the government who have taken these decisions and have to take responsibility if it goes tits up.

As citizens we are allowed, indeed in a liberal democracy encouraged and part of the functioning well being of that democracy, to criticise and say 'you are fucking this up' and 'this is a total car crash which is completely removed from the promises of the reference which you have retrospectively redefined'.

Thats not a disgrace. Thats health democracy in action.

Sorry to disappoint.

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@houseinthesnow

I would say that to anyone that hates this country so much as to actively campaign against and wish for the very worst to happen to us, really needs to move elsewhere for their OWN benefit.

Why stay in a country and be so openly hostile? Plenty of places to live that are so much better after all. I genuinely think that we can do without the moaning minnies. I do sometimes wonder if they are just negative about everything, and this is another whinge, or whether they save up all their hatred for their country. I believe in our country, as do millions of others. The very least you can do, is get behind the country now - if you can't do it for yourself you should do it for your kids.

Some of you are a disgrace.

I love this country, I contribute my share, my ancestors have been here since forever - this attitude is utter bullshit.

The British have freedom to speak your mind, freedom to criticise and if you can't take that maybe you should go elsewhere.

I'll criticise what I want, I'll moan about what I want, I'll be negative if I want.

The very least you can do, is get behind the country now

Is this that amazing Remainer power of thought thing again?

I would say that to anyone that hates this country so much as to actively campaign against and wish for the very worst to happen to us, really needs to move elsewhere for their OWN benefit

So the entire Tory government and every fool who voted for brexit then? Thats who you are describing.

'Doing without' is the very definition of poverty. If you're fine with families going without homes, food, access to feminine hygiene products then that tells us all we need to know.'

Obviously not doing without homes, food or basics, that's is where housing benefit, fsm etc comes in.

'it sounds like you're an advocate of 'it takes a village' to help those with MH issues'

If a family member has complex medical or mental problems I would not expect the dwp to keep on paying them if they didn't respond to communication so yes, not the 'village' so much but multi disciplinary teams including social services, gps, mh teams and of course families all do have an essential role.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'DWP, or ATOS/Capita ? The latter 2 certainly do. '

The DWP. That's why I said the DWP. If people don't respond to phone calls, letters requests for assessments of course payments stop.

Yes atos do home medicals correct. Not just when someone doesn't answer the phone however, it's part of the process.

Just wanted to make sure I understood correctly. Tends not to happen in these debates.

Yes, OP, I expect PPs don't realise the impacts of their negativity. It's a good job the country has people like you believing in it. I can't imagine what would happen if the country was relying on moaning minnies and Captain Hindsights for belief. Something existential or quantum, I expect.

@BefuddledPerson, surely @houseinthesnow wants us all to have a rousing sing song of 'Jerusalem' and give them all the good one-two!

Absolute fantasist.

Loving your country also means wanting the best for that country and its citizens. It is not unpatriotic to say that Brexit is a terrible decision as we know how much harm it is going to cause (and has already caused).

houseinthesnow
their public services are absolutely dire!! France is not much better

Could you give an example of public services in France that are worse than in the UK, please?

Obviously not doing without homes, food or basics

Many people are doing without these things.

@Zilla1

Yes, OP, I expect PPs don't realise the impacts of their negativity. It's a good job the country has people like you believing in it. I can't imagine what would happen if the country was relying on moaning minnies and Captain Hindsights for belief. Something existential or quantum, I expect.

is this like clapping your hands and saying 'I believe in fairies'?

@PoisoningPigeons

The very least you can do, is get behind the country now

Is this that amazing Remainer power of thought thing again?

I think from the word go Remainers have asked

"Whats the plan Stan?"

Only to be told to shut up and get behind the plan.

Now if you could just point us to the .gov.uk advice on what the plan for post 1st January actually is which doesn't have the words 'might' or 'may' throughout it and actually has some firm points on what WILL happen, I think we'll all be slightly happier. Even the preppers.

"I love my country", doesn't tell importers what tariffs will be on the 1st January.

Oddly.

@ghostyslovesheets, or focusing the power of patriotism and freedom for the public good. Nothing was ever achieved with negativism. Negativism didn't build a memorable ship like the Titanic.

EU citizens don't get preferential treatment when it comes to social housing but as uk TAX PAYERS they are entitled to recieve child benefit and to apply for housing

The point is we DONT have all of this housing stock for millions of people. We just simply do not have it. You are right that no one takes priority, but that is even worse. What about the family that do not have a second home in Poland (making a nice rental income) and the UK based family here are homeless here and have nowhere to go - is it right that they should be the same????? I mean can you seriously mean that?

People are playing the system, and some are making a tidy sum thanks to the UK taxpayer. Meanwhile we have thousands and thousands of families in bedsits this christmas that will never stand a chance of getting to the top of the list.

We CANT house everyone in Europe, it is just not physically possible, and without controls how on earth do we ever manage it? Answer that, anyone.

It is simply unsustainable.

fast I have employed both English and Polish cleaners, my current lady is English and she is amazing, they all have been to their credit.
Polish lady is coming back for a back operation even though she has lived in Poland for the last year, she will see the dentist whilst she is here, extractions cost the earth there - and a visit to a GP for her prescriptions as she has to pay for all medical services in Krakow, and it saves her a fortune popping back periodically and she can use everything here for free.

I love my country.

I have campaigned and worked for the good of my country.

I want the best for my country.

Which is precisely why I am so devastated by this hardest of hard Brexits, and so furious at the useful idiots - like you OP - who are still cheerleading this utter fucking shitshow.

I would be more honest, but I'd just get deleted. I think you and your leaver mates seriously underestimate the force of anger coming your way once the shit really hits the fan.

I hope you get everything you deserve.

nice annology - Brexit is very like the Titanic - that turned out well didn't it? Especially for the poorer passangers

it's fine to be critical of the actions of this government - infact I think it's an essntial part of democracy - singing 'rah rah rah isn;t England spiffing' loudly isn't really going to help anyone

[quote Zilla1]@ghostyslovesheets, or focusing the power of patriotism and freedom for the public good. Nothing was ever achieved with negativism. Negativism didn't build a memorable ship like the Titanic.[/quote]
As Johnson (not that one) sagely remarked, "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

It's almost as if he was reaching from the past to tap his namesake on the shoulder.

One thing is assured. People will still remember one Johnson as a great man of letters centuries from now. And it won't be the blond bombshell buffoon low rent Trump tribute act one.

if there was a cohensive strategy which acknowledges the problem of Other Countries Also Having Soverignty. I've said this a long time. I've also been critical of remainers being unrealistic and not spotting the most for the best deal available.

As a sometime lurker on the Westminstenders threads this is true. I remember people criticising them because the regular posters were too pragmatic about the possible options and not passionately campaigning to reverse the referendum. The idea that MN is full of militant remainers (as opposed to people who just know what they are talking about) doesn't stand up to scrutiny.