EU blackmailing the UK

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So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

And @TheSunIsStillShining, poverty in Dickens' London was no doubt less than poverty in other cities at the same time too - but he had high standards and so do I. I think Britain is a great country whose citizens deserve better.

There is currently too much poverty here, it has worsened over the last decade and is set to worsen further.

[quote TheSunIsStillShining]@BefuddledPerson
You do know that when we look at society numbers do count. Saying Dickensian when about 0.01% is effected (made up number) is very misleading to say the least.

Yes, there is a problem in the UK, as well as around everywhere in the world. Do we like it: no.

But the wast majority of people in the UK do live in relative wealth. Even if you look at how poverty is measured it is quite obvious that being in poverty here and in romania are 2 very-very different levels...
So pls. refrain from dickensian and over exaggerating.

Yes, our tearducts are flooded, let's see the facts and draw conclusions from that.[/quote]
Pre- covid it was estimated that around 20% of UK households live in poverty.

Relative wealth to sub saharan africa or underdeveloped eastern europe is not a relevant comparison.

This is in this country. It's disgusting.

Shortage of affordable housing (which is critical) has nothing to do with the EU.

But I see now you took advantage of freedom of movement to live in Spain - now you just don't want others to be able to do similar.

You dont get to tell UK citizens to leave the UK because they don't agree with your politics.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron

'What is the welfare state if it doesn't include social care provision and safeguarding? A lack of response after two safeguarding visits? That doesn't sound like there was much safeguarding going on.'

The dwp can't do home visits. If people don't respond to requests for assessments then payments stop. Where was his mh team, his social worker, his community support, his family?!

You have no place living here if you do not want the best for this country, if you are not prepared to stand up for it, to care about it. I suggest you do some travelling and go and live in a few different countries, then come back and see if you feel the same way. You sound entitled, ungrateful and lacking in any positivity whatsoever. An asset I am sure we can do without.

I'd quite like you to legally define people who 'don't want the best for this country' and what sanction in law you would take against them.

I'm intrigued.

I think this could make a good debate.

You dont get to tell UK citizens to leave the UK because they don't agree with your politics.

That's Priti Patels job.

Those who minimise the lived experience of poverty in this country are lying. I do not understand why they do it, but they are lying.

I know what I have seen with my own eyes.

2) You couldn't actually answer the welfare problem could you. It is a massive mulitmillion pound racket you are paying for. So you best find a solution quickly, there are homeless families that live in the UK with no hope of finding a home! It is okay for you, but what about them, and the many thousands like them?? Our welfare state WAS fit for purpose when it was looking after the people it was intended for, and not half of Europe

see you ignored my previous post about this so maybe you need to do a bit of research but I think you will find EU citizens don't get preferential treatment when it comes to social housing but as uk TAX PAYERS they are entitled to recieve child benefit and to apply for housing - where they face the same issues everyone else does. If you really honestly believe EU immigration is the reason the welfare state is struggling you are wrong and need to do a bit more research.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'What is the welfare state if it doesn't include social care provision and safeguarding? A lack of response after two safeguarding visits? That doesn't sound like there was much safeguarding going on.'

The dwp can't do home visits. If people don't respond to requests for assessments then payments stop. Where was his mh team, his social worker, his community support, his family?!

Why does our wonderful system not have these safeguards built into it?

Our wonderful sense of community where we go around saying people have no right to benefits or living here...

...the things on which these are founded are not found on the front page of the Mail strangely.

@DGRossetti, Priti's busy defending the borders and encouraging better performance from her Department and Agencies. She'll have to delegate some things.

'Relative wealth to sub saharan africa or underdeveloped eastern europe is not a relevant comparison.'

I'm not comparing it to Africa. Dc from low income families get fsm for example. Families rightly get financial support. Of course they are on a low income, many people are, but doing without does not always equal poverty.

@GetOffYourHighHorse, "Where was his mh team, his social worker, his community support, his family?!"

it sounds like you're an advocate of 'it takes a village' to help those with MH issues.

The dwp can't do home visits.

DWP, or ATOS/Capita ?

The latter 2 certainly do. DW had one for PIP.

@TrollTheRespawnJeremy what awful comments. Calm down fgs.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Relative wealth to sub saharan africa or underdeveloped eastern europe is not a relevant comparison.'

I'm not comparing it to Africa. Dc from low income families get fsm for example. Families rightly get financial support. Of course they are on a low income, many people are, but doing without does not always equal poverty.

'Doing without' is the very definition of poverty.

If you're fine with families going without homes, food, access to feminine hygiene products then that tells us all we need to know.

I would say that to anyone that hates this country so much as to actively campaign against and wish for the very worst to happen to us, really needs to move elsewhere for their OWN benefit.

Why stay in a country and be so openly hostile? Plenty of places to live that are so much better after all. I genuinely think that we can do without the moaning minnies. I do sometimes wonder if they are just negative about everything, and this is another whinge, or whether they save up all their hatred for their country. I believe in our country, as do millions of others. The very least you can do, is get behind the country now - if you can't do it for yourself you should do it for your kids.

Some of you are a disgrace.

@Notonthestairs

Shortage of affordable housing (which is critical) has nothing to do with the EU.

But I see now you took advantage of freedom of movement to live in Spain - now you just don't want others to be able to do similar.

You dont get to tell UK citizens to leave the UK because they don't agree with your politics.

What do you mean???? UK housing policy and planning decisions are not made by Mr Macron and Mrs Merkel? You mean its not the unelected beaucrats in Brussels with their NIMBY protests and placards? You mean that the scam that is Help to Buy isn't an EU taxation scam? If only we'd had been allowed Wonky Walls instead of Health and Safety so many more people would have homes.

doing without does not always equal poverty

M
Lets all see where we all are in a year then people can say who was right or wrong for now a lot of it is guess work of what may or could happen , especially long term
Also the eu will miss the uk money that is a fact , how much is yet to be seen
But people must see we can't also agree to everything they want and pretty sure they won't be expecting us to

honestly - if people like you think I am a disgrace I must be doing something right!

'DWP, or ATOS/Capita ? The latter 2 certainly do. '

The DWP. That's why I said the DWP. If people don't respond to phone calls, letters requests for assessments of course payments stop.

Yes atos do home medicals correct. Not just when someone doesn't answer the phone however, it's part of the process.

enjoy your independent country. hope you choke on it

So is the UK not your country too?

You tried to challenge my points, and failed miserably.

That is not my fault - it is yours. You can't argue with the facts, most remainers learnt that a long time ago, so they just hurl insults instead, I see you have done that too.

You are not the first, and you won't be the last. The facts are what they are.

"I would say that to anyone that hates this country so much as to actively campaign against and wish for the very worst to happen to us, really needs to move elsewhere for their OWN benefit. "
Amen to that. Only I don't think we are talking about the same people