EU blackmailing the UK

[houseinthesnow]

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

"just they can gleefully say I told you so. "
Nope. I've never wanted to be more wrong. I want egg on my face. It would be brilliant to be wrong.
If you think this about fucking point scoring you haven't been paying attention

I love the way mumsnetter want our country to go down the pan just they can gleefully say I told you so

Nobody wants it, but that is what is happening. You need to wake up

I am confident and have total clarity for the future for us

That's very encouraging. Then it should be no trouble at all for you to give all us Remainers one solid, tangible, irrefutable benefit of Brexit that we wouldn't have been able to achieve, if we so chose, whilst still in the EU.

Just one.

@Notonthestairs , apparently, yes.

I voted remain.
Yeah right, that's why you've come out with usual Brexiter bollox.

did Really spot on. That is exactly how so many people feel. We have lots of international friends due to the work we do, and ALL of them totally get it. Only on here do the remainers seem to be stuck on the basic value of democracy. They see it as no problem as long as they still have the option of their second home in France one day.

Our international friends saw us say in Parliament that we are happy to break the law. More naive bollocks.

Look, it is about compromise a word some of you need to look up.

Again, I think you are confusing people on a MN thread trying to explain the EU's position with the actual EU.

The central thing you need to grasp is that other countries have other priorities.

"I love the way mumsnetter want our country to go down the pan just they can gleefully say I told you so."

Nope. Just a realist. Whatever deal we get (if any) will leave this country worse off for absolutely no fucking tangible benefit whatsoever.

What I would like is for leavers to fucking own their mess rather than trying to blame anyone but themselves. My cunt of a tory MP this morning seems to think it's all the SNP's fault.

Just wish people would stop wanting us to fail.

🤔 Amazing how Remainers have such power to think the country from being a Brexit success into a Brexit failure, yet they couldn't think away Brexit in the first place. Strange power, that.

The Trump defence - we have brilliant reasons which you don't know about but one day you will.

The classic "We will release our brilliant plans in two weeks - in the meantime look at this file full of photocopier paper" argument.

Just a (probably tiresome by now ) reminder about Hitchens Razor application of which reduces this thread to 68 posts and 13 posters.

They see it as no problem as long as they still have the option of their second home in France one day.

Well, it wouldn’t be an option for me personally, but British people will still be able to purchase property in France if they want to.

I can’t speak for all remainers of course, but personally my primary concerns are food supplies, medicine supplies, jobs, future stability of the Union, and intelligence sharing in the face of an increasingly hostile Russia and increasingly unstable Middle East. Not a second home in France.

The EU 'Blackmailing' Britain?

I thought Britain was the ones 'holding all the cards', That the EU couldn't do without us. That Britain was a European powerhouse!

Chickens coming home to roost.

We have always paid more for everything and had a worse quality of life compared to the Germans and the French even when in the EU. So maybe it is time to make a change. Just wish people would stop wanting us to fail.

But following the logic of the OP France and Germany still hold all the cards because now they are able to blackmail us by being pirates. 'The EU are meanies' isn't an argument for the UK being in a stronger position outside the EU.

@SabrinaThwaite, I vaguely recall the themes to 633 squadron and the dam busters were both catchy, so either really - I'd hope the fish like a swimmable tune. The Battle of Britain film more orchestral?

The EU never conceived any country would be brave enough to leave on an Australian solution. An historical failure of imagination on their part. They'll regret their lack of imagination and narrow-mindedness and petty-fogging inflexibility, some might say.

LOL! That's like the story of the guy holding a gun to his head threatening to blow his own brains out - and telling his wife to stop laughing because "she's next!".

@TheSandman

The EU 'Blackmailing' Britain?

I thought Britain was the ones 'holding all the cards', That the EU couldn't do without us. That Britain was a European powerhouse!

Chickens coming home to roost.

Really, anyone who even thinks that the UK can be blackmailed by the EU needs picking up by Priti Patel and sent to one of the reeducation camps she isn't setting up for people talking the UK down.

It's borderline sedition to even suggest the mighty UK can in anyway be in weak position with a mere 27 countries and 450 million people.

Don't they know who we are.

Shame on anyone who thinks the UK could be blackmailed. How dare they do us down.

@kungfupannda, Brexit will be like a tale of two cities, hopefully without the guillotine. and the knitting. One city will shine and one stagnate. I'd hope everyone will agree which is which.

Ah, the second homes in France we all have 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If the country was so fucking prosperous that 48% of voters could afford second homes in France we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.

@Zilla1 is doing sterling work, btw. I salute you.

I've got to the 'i told you so' point after spending 4 and a half years saying 'the danger of doing this is we will end up at this bad place' and being ignored.

I've spent 4 and a half years making the point so it doesn't happen.

And finally in frustration when the writing is on the wall and unfortunately I'm STILL saying 'the danger of doing this is we will end up at this bad place' the take home in me saying 'i told you so' is that I gleefully want it to happen to proven myself right?

Why waste so much effort trying to stop something just to go gleefully go 'told you so'? Really, it may surprise you but I find other things far more worthwhile and fulfilling rather than being even remotely close to being proven right.

Like accidentally stubbing my toe.

I'm not sure I've wanted to be more wrong, because if, god forbid I'm even a little bit right, its awful for me and a lot of people I care about. Why would I want that, just to get bragging rights?

No this is about the bandwagon of ideology hitting the wall of reality. Unfortunately.

@bellinisurge, I expect anyone could do a quick straw poll amongst their friends then double check in something reputable like the DM or Telegraph. Ok, perhaps not every place in France is a second home. There must be some for whom it's a third home after their Tuscan place?

I'm a bit puzzled by the blackmailing. What could the EU have on Britain? Having a secret fling with Costa Rica? Secretly defrauding the UNDP? Some ripe footage on a dash cam? Will there be a denouement with Poirot or Marple?

@garlictwist

Or - we chose to leave. The EU is totally within their rights to say "fuck off, go then". Why should we have our cake and eat it?

I'm a staunch remainer and I don't want to leave. But I think now we have, we shouldn't be permitted to make demands of the EU and try and keep the best bits.

This is spot on.

The EU has to put the interests of its members first. They owe us nothing.

OP - '"I do believe that in a matter of months not years, the true scale of the EU political ambitions will be ... ' I almost heard an echo of the Reverend Dr Martin Luther King at the start of that