EU blackmailing the UK

[houseinthesnow]

So it comes to pass. The EU have decided unless we agree to their unreasonable demands they will halt all travel, including air and road travel whilst still fishing in our waters apparently!

It is nothing short of piracy.

The true nature of the EU has been exposed for some time, hence our departure - but now no one can be any doubt just to the levels they will sink to.
The EU have no interest in trade relations, nor cooperation, they only seek control and power. The trading relations is and was always, window dressing to create a superstate - and it seems they are now not afraid to inflict as much damage as possible to stop a member leaving.
Even the most passionate remainer will now see how deeply disturbing this behaviour actually is.

One could argue it is an act of war in fact.

It should be treated as such.

I will happily eat beans to the end of my days than be blackmailed by the EU. We all knew it would get nasty at the end, but who they knew they were capable of this. I suppose we can't be that surprised given the past. The gloves are off now for sure - and that goes both ways we should remind them.

Hard hats on.

fast I am very happy to give you a list of the benefits as I see them to brexit, I know you will deconstruct every one, because we have been here before remember, but nonetheless we will do it anyway just for the last time:

1. Control over immigration. Our country is a small country and we can only take so many people - we certainly reached our capacity many years ago.
   Our schools are full, our hospitals are full, our roads are full, our GP surgeries are full and it is impossible to get an app even two years ago. You could endlessly throw money at this situation, and it will never get any better, because you can not accept endless numbers of people and expect to serve them to the same standard. It is impossible.
   We are absolutely full to bursting, and there was not a single mechanism that the EU were even willing to TALK about, much less action on countries like ours being able to put a break on the millions of people arriving here.

2. Our welfare system has been abused for years, with people from Eastern Europe and other countries sending home child benefit and other benefits to their home countries (my cleaner did this for three years so I know just how it works, she was very honest about why they came) and using our services without having paid into them, many were arriving for operations, to have babies and all the rest, because in many other countries in Europe you have to pay to see a doctor, a midwife and an operation. We were paying benefits to people that don't even live here, and have in fact never lived here! And because it is part of the EU law not to discriminate, we have no choice but to continue. Or we could stop the benefits, and our own people would then suffer. I would rather see the money go to the people in real need, that actually live in this country.

3. Many markets has been flooded with cheap labour, which has been great for multinationals, but less great for the local areas where local people struggle to find a job. I hope we will be able to offer everyone that is able a job in the future, that is local to where they live, regardless of their educational attainment.

4. The laws in this country will be made in this country again, we have thousands and thousands of laws that have been passed to us from the EU. How nice that we now decide what suits us, and more to the point what doesn't.

5. Now when someone commits a serious crime in our country they will be deported, currently they can just return, which is why we see gangs and drug dealers and people traffickers simply coming back. Our prisons are an easy ride compared to the riches that can be found on county lines. I know this from my line of work, we see the same faces over and over again playing the system.

6. I see the UK as a global country, with a rich history of relationships with the whole world, I don't want to be tethered to an ageing monolithic institution that takes forever and ever to sign big deals, to respond to the world - to modernise. I prefer that we join alliances and welcome the whole world to come and live and work here, if they bring their skills with them. We owe a great deal to many commonwealth countries, and I think they should be, at the very least on an equal footing to anyone from Europe.

7. Politically we were always going to have to leave anyway, as even remainers balk at the idea of european armies and financial controls over states. In my mind it is easier now - and less painful than it will be in five years time. For me laws, government policies should all be decided here and not in Brussels.

8. Many companies will thrive without the EU red tape strangling creativity - many will make much more money too as we expand into new markets

9. We can better allies in the longer term with countries in Europe outside of the institution, once we are out we can stop bickering about what is wrong or right within the EU commission and focus on the core shared values we have with individual states. They are free to become the federal superstate they have always wished to be - no more bickering, it should be more of a balanced and civilised relationship.

10. Your children and mine will inherit a country they can actually govern, rather than one that is cowering under the EU commission's rules. No one can actually call it democratic institution can they! How did someone like Ursula get the top job given the systematic corruption charges against her.

11. The incredible amount of money we were paying in just to be part of the EU is eyewatering, and getting larger and larger. I would rather we invested in our own country.

12. I do think we will prosper, and in the long term once we are over covid I see a greener, cleaner and more democratically accountable future ahead of us.

Beyond a uni gap year my kids can't afford, an EU passport lane that was never fast and a second home possibly in retirement - that I can do without, I could see no upside to staying more to the point.

The cost to our wonderful country has just become too, too great.

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius, do they owe us nothing, no, nothing, nothing at all'. Do our ex Bros in the EU not owe a refund for decades of payments into the club?

*brake

We have always paid more for everything and had a worse quality of life compared to the Germans and the French even when in the EU. So maybe it is time to make a change

You haven't paid more, thats another lie. And if you had a worse quality of life, that was down to your government, your country. Not the EU.
Leaving the EU only makes that worse, not better

OP - your last post 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

LOLZ!!!!

I live in Cornwall, went for a walk this morning saw the fish swimming, their union flag life jackets inflated with pomposity and clearly en route to Atlantis fins a flapping, and gills a gurning, chortling feckoff feck off the lot of you, enough enough already we've got our freedom back dontcha know and we don't know which way to go

Nice name change OP, didn't you get bored on your last thread?

Your last post would be funny it wasn't so depressing. A pile of unmitigated horseshit of racism and bollocks,

@onlythepianoplayer, you might assert that some EU nations have a better standards of living, and that ex-Warsaw Pact countries have managed to raise their standard of living to higher than some UK Regions. Some people would reply 'corruption' or something.

Those poor UK regions will be breathing sovereign air which is priceless. If you priced that then incorporated that into GDP figures, you may find the poorest UK Region is richer than it was on 31/01/2020.

Those poor UK regions will be breathing sovereign air which is priceless. If you priced that then incorporated that into GDP figures, you may find the poorest UK Region is richer than it was on 31/01/2020

They were already breathing sovereign air before. Always have been

If this is the stuff that enters your mind on a daily basis OP, I feel sorry for you.

@PortiasPlumUpduffedPudding, that's concerning to hear. Sovereignty and freedom were for the UK people, not fish. We need to train those fish wranglers soon. Good job there's no EU Regulation stopping the recruitment and training of fish wranglers, nor the award of government contracts for fish training call centres.

@onlythepianoplayer, but it's different now. better. in some way.

It should be playing on your mind too woah if you cared about the country that is, which you don't, because you probably don't live here.

@Zilla1, we have always been a sovereign country. Hope you're enjoying breathing your sovereign air.

Brexiteers blame EU for everything wrong with Brexit... headline write themselves don’t they?
I’m sure their quaking in their boots about it going ‘both’ ways OP. Quaking.

OP -

4. The laws in this country will be made in this country again, we have thousands and thousands of laws that have been passed to us from the EU. How nice that we now decide what suits us, and more to the point what doesn't.

We probably didn't take back sovereignty to only lose it to a bunch of unelected, faceless.... judges. British laws. Made in Britain. British judges being told what to do by Priti.

Selfishly I’m thankful for my, and my kids dual nationality, and genuinely feel sorry for friends who are thoroughly ‘British’ and are no longer holders of European passports.

@houseinthesnow

fast I am very happy to give you a list of the benefits as I see them to brexit, I know you will deconstruct every one, because we have been here before remember, but nonetheless we will do it anyway just for the last time:

1. Control over immigration. Our country is a small country and we can only take so many people - we certainly reached our capacity many years ago.
   Our schools are full, our hospitals are full, our roads are full, our GP surgeries are full and it is impossible to get an app even two years ago. You could endlessly throw money at this situation, and it will never get any better, because you can not accept endless numbers of people and expect to serve them to the same standard. It is impossible.
   We are absolutely full to bursting, and there was not a single mechanism that the EU were even willing to TALK about, much less action on countries like ours being able to put a break on the millions of people arriving here.

2. Our welfare system has been abused for years, with people from Eastern Europe and other countries sending home child benefit and other benefits to their home countries (my cleaner did this for three years so I know just how it works, she was very honest about why they came) and using our services without having paid into them, many were arriving for operations, to have babies and all the rest, because in many other countries in Europe you have to pay to see a doctor, a midwife and an operation. We were paying benefits to people that don't even live here, and have in fact never lived here! And because it is part of the EU law not to discriminate, we have no choice but to continue. Or we could stop the benefits, and our own people would then suffer. I would rather see the money go to the people in real need, that actually live in this country.

3. Many markets has been flooded with cheap labour, which has been great for multinationals, but less great for the local areas where local people struggle to find a job. I hope we will be able to offer everyone that is able a job in the future, that is local to where they live, regardless of their educational attainment.

4. The laws in this country will be made in this country again, we have thousands and thousands of laws that have been passed to us from the EU. How nice that we now decide what suits us, and more to the point what doesn't.

5. Now when someone commits a serious crime in our country they will be deported, currently they can just return, which is why we see gangs and drug dealers and people traffickers simply coming back. Our prisons are an easy ride compared to the riches that can be found on county lines. I know this from my line of work, we see the same faces over and over again playing the system.

6. I see the UK as a global country, with a rich history of relationships with the whole world, I don't want to be tethered to an ageing monolithic institution that takes forever and ever to sign big deals, to respond to the world - to modernise. I prefer that we join alliances and welcome the whole world to come and live and work here, if they bring their skills with them. We owe a great deal to many commonwealth countries, and I think they should be, at the very least on an equal footing to anyone from Europe.

7. Politically we were always going to have to leave anyway, as even remainers balk at the idea of european armies and financial controls over states. In my mind it is easier now - and less painful than it will be in five years time. For me laws, government policies should all be decided here and not in Brussels.

8. Many companies will thrive without the EU red tape strangling creativity - many will make much more money too as we expand into new markets

9. We can better allies in the longer term with countries in Europe outside of the institution, once we are out we can stop bickering about what is wrong or right within the EU commission and focus on the core shared values we have with individual states. They are free to become the federal superstate they have always wished to be - no more bickering, it should be more of a balanced and civilised relationship.

10. Your children and mine will inherit a country they can actually govern, rather than one that is cowering under the EU commission's rules. No one can actually call it democratic institution can they! How did someone like Ursula get the top job given the systematic corruption charges against her.

11. The incredible amount of money we were paying in just to be part of the EU is eyewatering, and getting larger and larger. I would rather we invested in our own country.

12. I do think we will prosper, and in the long term once we are over covid I see a greener, cleaner and more democratically accountable future ahead of us.

Beyond a uni gap year my kids can't afford, an EU passport lane that was never fast and a second home possibly in retirement - that I can do without, I could see no upside to staying more to the point.

The cost to our wonderful country has just become too, too great.

1)Our country is not 'full'. Our services are lacking and oversubscribed due to Governmental corruption. Quality of life is better in France and Spain because they are not so quick to sell their public services to the highest bidder at whatever cost to their citizens.

2)Our welfare system is not fit for purpose. It costs SO much to maintain that it is almost nonsensical. Costs to our welfare system from immigrants is negligible. If we better supported migrants and gave them rights to work it would boost our local economy.

3)Markets are flooded with cheap labour because of cheap bosses. People have to take whatever they can get. Most people do not choose to work for less than anyone else. The only people that take it are those who have no other choice. (See point 2)

4)Laws in this country are made in this country. I cant think of one UK law that wasn't made in the UK.

5)Deported? Deported to where exactly? If someone commits a crime then they are liable for that crime and the associated punishment. Currently where people don't have right to remain they are sent back to their country of origin if they are not serving a prison sentence.

6)The reason the UK was 'such a Global country' was because of the British Empire- another monolithic institution that was insular and corrupt. We joined the EU to become part of something bigger and effect world change without being colonisers.

7. Nonsense and hearsay.

8)Many companies will thrive abroad as it's too expensive to operate in the UK post Brexit. Unemployment within the UK will continue to soar. There has been no investment in business/stem creation to replace the industries lost to brexit. Too little too late.
This will result in a brain drain of those qualified who will move overseas to work for said businesses. Leaving the UK poorer economically and intellectually.

9. Bickering. What a word to describe democracy. We have basically voted ourselves out of European democratic decisions. We are now free to try and bargain our way back in (at what cost?).

10. Our children are inheriting a country that is governed by those with money and who only care about making money. The gap between rich and poor is on Dickensian levels.

11. So long as our GDP/GNP continues to grow, we should pay a proportional amount to the EU who also increased the subsidies paid to various UK industries, areas and interests.

12. We will prosper. I disagree. I think this is, outside of the Great Wars, the darkest age of British history. I am a historian, while it is endlessly interesting it is absolutely galling to realise that our society has become so individualist, greedy and uncaring.

The cost to our 'wonderful country' is not just economic, but ideological. Great Britain is a joke on the world stage.

'It's an anology that's been used before, but you really do sound like a man who wants a divorce but can't understand why he can't still have sex with his wife.'

Hmm. More like a wife who wants a divorce and can't understand why my ex thinks he should be able to enforce any rules in the future that I had to adhere to, or else.

hully Clearly you can not argue with the truth, so you do the old remainer thing of resorting to the lowest form of insults. We all know why the country voted leave, and why remain has never, and will never win the argument.

I don't want egg on my remainer's face by being proved wrong, I want Brexit voters to suffer.

More like a wife who wants a divorce and can't understand why my ex thinks he should be able to enforce any rules in the future that I had to adhere to, or else

The EU was the wife in the analogy, and did not ask for the divorce.
Even in your analogy, it would actually be that the ex can enforce rules on how you can deal with him in the future. Which is fine

We all know why the country voted leave, and why remain has never, and will never win the argument

Yeah we do. Too many brown people and other forriners. You said it yourself.

'The gap between rich and poor is on Dickensian levels.'

Dickensian .

We have an excellent welfare state. Please let's not get carried away, there's no 'Dickensian levels'.