To want to know a benefit of brexit?

[Dishwashersaurous]

I know that brexit has been done to death. But as we crash into a no deal and inevitable queues at the border my children are asking what is the benefit of brexit.

Could someone please tell me a tangible benefit that I can tell them- as I am struggling to think of anything

Potential reunification of Ireland is the only positive I can think of.

Is that a positive for ROI? Some would say absolutely not.

It’s all worth it for duty free. 😂

Now I really have heard it all.

The UK would do a free trade deal, no problem, but the EU wants to tack on other things, to bully the UK into submission.

This is a bit back to front! The EU are the ones wanting a free trade deal, whilst the UK are insisting on a load of extra things, such as stopping freedom of movement and changing standards.

These threads strike me as utterly pointless. Who fucking knows? Wait and see. Both sides have come out with such shit over what they believe is going to happen and it's still dragging on and up in the air.

Why not wait two years, say, and then decide if there are any?

Renaissance for English wine? The vineyard owners in Kent must be rubbing their hands in glee.

There are some things that are potentially good, depending on your point of view.

1. It will (and already has) resulted in much more non-white, non-Christian immigration into the country, as we try to plug the gap in the labour market with immigrants from outside the EU. Greater racial diversity is a good thing. I wouldn’t have thought Brexiteers agree with that view though.

1. Scotland will almost certainly get independence. Personally I don’t think the break-up of the Union is a good thing but many Scottish people do want independence and I can see why.

1. It may ultimately result in the reunification of Ireland, which is probably a good thing provided you aren’t a Northern Irish Protestant.

@MaxNormal

The only upside I can think of is getting to say "I told you so" a lot in January when it all goes tits up.

I'm afraid I don't see that as an upside.

But, they were too disorganised - or not interested enough - to do this

Oh yeah...that’ll be it then

Fuckall to do with elections being about who runs the country, and their policies education, welfare, defence, NHS etc

Nah...every election since the referendum has just been about brexit

Bit weird that apparently the referendum was won in 2016 and everyone should be over it by now

Nah we’ll just keep replaying the referendum (that was won, once in every generation type thing, in 2016) for each election moving forward

So you don't believe that a Leaver can care about BAME people?

I'm sure that the two are not mutually exclusive. However, after the brexit vote a wave of racism was unleashed and it suddenly seemed to be acceptable to be obnoxious to white foreigners and BAME British people and BAME foreigners. Many brexit voters were recorded as saying that they supported brexit because they didn't like Muslims or Chinese or whatever.
On the whole, racists are far more likely to be leave voters.

On the question of whether brexit will help BAME people get jobs, I don't know. What freedom of movement did was to allow unlimited numbers of Europeans with few qualifications to enter. Many proved themselves to be entrepreneurial, hard working and willing to accept conditions that British people (of whatever colour) did not. I am not sure big employers care about the skin colour of their warehouse operatives or fruit pickers.
For people with qualifications, the jobs are generally there. Don't see many unemployed nurses, doctors, vets, social workers of any colour.

Really it's up to our government to train our workforce to do the available jobs. Sadly they are not interested in doing this, just pushing academic qualifications onto everyone and neglecting technical training. It's not the EU's fault that so many people in this country are only qualified for unskilled minimum wage jobs.

the end to free movement

That's an upside?

1. It will (and already has) resulted in much more non-white, non-Christian immigration into the country, as we try to plug the gap in the labour market with immigrants from outside the EU. Greater racial diversity is a good thing. I wouldn’t have thought Brexiteers agree with that view though.

The sentiment is lovely and I'm all for it. The reality is harsh on the other hand.

1. these people don't integrate into the European culture. They don't even want to. Ergo: in a few decades or less there will be parts of cities that are culturally totally different, but they do have to live/work/study in the inherently christian/european culture. This will lead to huge clashes, which -unless dealt with- will lead to physical issues.

Even now there is no indication that the UK is doing anything to address this. We have had many classmates in primary where the 8 year old boy proudly said that his wife will be chosen by his parents as per tradition/he doesn't need to learn proper english as he has his own culture and language/he only showers once every weekend as per their cultural tradition. I have seen countless non-EU mums who didn't speak english despite living here for decades. They clearly don't want to integrate.

If we integrate these people then yay. But it won't happen. And all it will lead to is pressure building up and sooner or later blowing up in the Uk's face.

It may ultimately result in the reunification of Ireland, which is probably a good thing provided you aren’t a Northern Irish Protestant.

People keep forgetting that the ROI get a say in this.

I do understand that it must be tiresome though for the Brexiteers to keep getting reminded of the terrible mistake that they made.

This, with bells on.

And that is the best thing about leaving the EU - why remain in a club whose members treat us like that?

When we were in the club we had arguably the best deal out of all the member states though. I'd like to know what clubs you're in where you get a better deal for not being a member than for being one.

1. It will (and already has) resulted in much more non-white, non-Christian immigration into the country, as we try to plug the gap in the labour market with immigrants from outside the EU. Greater racial diversity is a good thing. I wouldn’t have thought Brexiteers agree with that view though.

As long as they don't arrive on a dinghy

But we always had control over who came to work here from the EU and how long they could stay.
If you fell for the myth that we couldn't, more fool you.

@TheKeatingFive

I haven’t forgotten. I just think Brexit May result in the reunification of Ireland and that may be a good thing from some people’s points of view.

@TheSunIsStillShining

I agree that there does seem to be a real irony that the people who voted for Brexit ‘because of immigration’ didn’t appear to realise that it would inevitably result in more non-white, non-Christian immigration, which has the potential to be more problematic.

However, I can see an argument that citizens of the countries we colonised and plundered - such as Kenya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Botswana, Zambia etc - should have priority over white, Western Europeans when it comes to emigrating here.

I should clarify that I think Brexit is a terrible idea, but the OP asked for positives so I was trying to find some!

@Mamamia456

Alexa - Because these types of thread have been done to death. They're just boring now. If you are genuinely interested go to the Brexit section on here and look at all the relevant threads.

Don't read it then if you're so bored of it. You're the one that clicked on it. 😂

*There is also plenty of data showing how recruiters discriminate against BAME people.

Again, just google.*

Well it's nkt what I asked about, but ok. If you believe that less EU immigrants will make recruiters less discriminating against bame, than you are, quite frankly, naive.
But fine. Your opinion and you have a right to it.

"It makes me laugh how the same people who bang on about white privilege are more likely to be remainers. Don't they care about BAME people competing for jobs with white europeans?"

Why do you keep banging on about white Europeans? Do you honestly believe there are no BAME people in Europe?

@Buddytheelf85
With my brain I see what you mean. But I don't agree on the colonized deserving a better chance.