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To think London commute towns are no better than Edinburgh for raising a family?

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JenXG · 10/12/2020 09:38

So basically DH and I are having a debate on whether to leave Edinburgh and move to a commute town outside London. (we have to stick with Edinburgh / London as working in financial sector but both of us would avoid London because of traffic/pollution/crowded streets).

The main reason for DH favouring those commute towns is that they seem to have loads of good schools for DS (4mo) to choose from compared to Edinburgh where there are only a few (or hardly any if his standard). He has high hope for DS. Also the A-level system is widely recognised across different countries (so potential for studying overseas) but the same cant be said for the Scotland system.

My worry is that we are giving up preferred lifestyle for a very small difference in schooling. I grew up in a big city and always need busy streets nearby. I understand some places such as Guildford will have its own town centre but there are still fewer things going on compared to Edinburgh. For example, there are a wide range of fine restuarants, several theatres & cinemas, pubs, etc in Edinburgh but living in Guildford we'd still have to go to London for a night out? I'd assume activities for young kids are more available in Edinburgh than in Guildford? E.g. Edinburgh has a zoo, lots of museums, and a coastline where you can do kayaking. Also Guildford is one of the busier towns as I understand. Some other commute towns are even quieter. So we'd highly likely end up travelling to London a lot which is not fun (I'm far more used to walking or driving a little bit to favourite places than hours of trains/tubes).

What do people think? I haven't been to many places in the southern area. Maybe I have misunderstood what life would be like there? Would you relocate if you were us?

OP posts:
MustardMitt · 10/12/2020 16:39

Having grown up in a commuter town and now living in a city, I choose city every time. I’d love to live in Edinburgh.

VerlynWebbe · 10/12/2020 16:40

Edinburgh at Festival time though....hard to be anywhere near the centre or George Sq. Travel times absurd, even walking. All the culture you could ever want but you do sacrifice 80% normality for it, unless you stick absolutely to routes that don’t go through town (which most years I do, the old curmudgeon I have become).

Janegrey333 · 10/12/2020 16:41

Some recent ranking stuff:

www.insider.co.uk/news/edinburgh-ranks-worlds-top-20-21626388

VerlynWebbe · 10/12/2020 16:42

Loving the ‘Edinburgh compared to Guildford’ deconstruction 🤣

AmandaHugenkiss · 10/12/2020 16:44

I went to university in Edinburgh, with Scottish Highers, then moved to central London and now live in a naice commuter town. Honestly, the quality of life for your money in Edinburgh is amazing compared to down here. You have everything within easy reach, and the difficulty I see friends having getting their kids in to the nice schools is unreal. I’d love to live there again!

Plus, even with a great education (which they can get in Edinburgh) your kids might decide they want to go in to musical theatre, or be an accountant, or buy a farm in New Zealand and raise alpacas.

The quality of your life (commute, stress, time spent with your kids in the evening) would have a far greater effect on them than the specific school I would think.

Janegrey333 · 10/12/2020 16:49

Oh what a surprise!

Milton Keynes moving ahead of Berlin for cultural soirées.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 10/12/2020 16:52

I don’t know if it’s my chip or if anybody really thinks this: going to Oxbridge isn’t the pinnacle of ambition.

It seems to be the OP's DH's pinnacle of ambition.

As for deciding where to live based on the chances of the child gaining a place at Oxbridge, when the child is 4months old, well I think that's probably been covered already!

One of the nice things about an Edinburgh comp that sends kids to Oxbridge now and again is that it will may wel suit him whether he's very academic or not. Kids who really want to go will get the chance to try, Oxbridge hold recruiting events in Edinburgh to encourage schoolkids and arrange visits and summer schools. And if he prefers some other university option or isn't academic, well a comp can support lots of other options.

English state schools seem to be much more stratified and the competition to get into the "good" or "more academic" ones is fierce. A friend (who lives in St Albans!) told us about the stress and worry of getting her DD into a reasonable state school. I know people whose kids couldn't pass the exam to get into the academic state secondary school locally and went private (and then got in to very good unviersities, so these were academic kids). Whereas I could just say "yep the local school looks fine" and job done.

And state or private, a school that boasts of sending 20% of its kids to Oxbridge is likely to be highly selective, fiercely competitive and very pressured.

Edinburgh is an amazing place to live,

Can't argue with that! Except for the climate which is pretty shit especially this time of year. And no it never really warms up.

GreenlandTheMovie · 10/12/2020 16:53

Millieepple They are very different prospects. I think the future for Scotland looks brighter than the future for England so world city v nice commuter town is maybe not the issue

Just remember that the SNP has never made a committment to sign the ECHR a requirement of Scottish independence. And that EU accelerated membership for the former Eastern European states took 12 years (plus years of negotiation first) from start to finish and that a lot of beloved Scottish government laws, such as minimum alcohol pricing and possibly several tiers of licensing would have to go, as they would be in breach of EU competition law.

So an independent Scotland would be outwith both the ECHR and the EU for a long, indeterminate time. I'm not making this up. It might not fit into the happy-clappy message Saint Nicola likes to send out. But its true.

I'm also shocked at the "why would anyone in Scotland want to go to Oxbridge when they can stay in Scotland" school of thought. Really?

cologne4711 · 10/12/2020 16:58

A friend (who lives in St Albans!) told us about the stress and worry of getting her DD into a reasonable state school. I know people whose kids couldn't pass the exam to get into the academic state secondary school locally and went private (and then got in to very good unviersities, so these were academic kids). Whereas I could just say "yep the local school looks fine" and job done

As far as I know that is also the case in St Albans, as the secondaries are decent. It's the same where I live - two decent state secondaries, as long as you live somewhere in the town, you get in. Not so much in Guildford though because you have the Park Barn estate so you can be unlucky with state schools there.

ohnomesandwiches · 10/12/2020 17:00

And now for a political broadcast by @GreenlandTheMovie

cologne4711 · 10/12/2020 17:02

a lot of beloved Scottish government laws, such as minimum alcohol pricing and possibly several tiers of licensing would have to go, as they would be in breach of EU competition law

The alcohol minimum pricing rules have already been considered by the European court and were found to comply with EU law.

VerlynWebbe · 10/12/2020 17:02

I'm also shocked at the "why would anyone in Scotland want to go to Oxbridge when they can stay in Scotland" school of thought. Really?

You’ve misrepresented what has been said to further your own view that we’re insular underachievers. But don’t imagine it’s not obvious 🤣

PenCreed · 10/12/2020 17:03

@VerlynWebbe

Loving the ‘Edinburgh compared to Guildford’ deconstruction 🤣
Having seen all the debate, I've changed my mind about my previous reasons for preferring Edinburgh and am now going to base my preferences on pandas. Does Guildford have pandas, I ask?

This rigorous assessment criteria makes more sense than some of the arguments on this thread so far, and also pandas are ace.

PolarnOPirate · 10/12/2020 17:06

We live near Guildford and I can't think of a single amenity we don't have within an hour of us. And shit tons of private schools!

tabulahrasa · 10/12/2020 17:06

“There is a massive disincentive to try for University outside Scotland not just for financial /geographical proximity reasons but because for most subjects in Scotland (including St Andrews and Edinburgh) you can get an unconditional offer with your S5 Highers results in hand, whilst studying for Advanced Highers in S6, rather than be under the massive pressure of needing to meet certain Advanced Higher Results conditions in S6 for a place on a similar course south of the border.“

Oh I’m aware, there’s all sorts of other reasons...

But just, about £30k to go to a uni that’s ranked very similarly? That’s a huge reason to just not bother.

It’s not like they’re having to pick between an oxbridge place for 30k or trump university for free.

MillieEpple · 10/12/2020 17:07

@GreenlandTheMovie i was thinking climate change - in particular rising sea levels.

GreenlandTheMovie · 10/12/2020 17:16

cologne4711 The alcohol minimum pricing rules have already been considered by the European court and were found to comply with EU law.

No, they wern't. An Adovcate-General's reference was sent to the Court of Justice and the A-G's advice was that it was not a proportionate measure even where justified by the public health exception because the objective could be achieved by less onerous means. ie taxation. It was the Supreme Court which then interpreted that A-G advice so as to mean that it complied with EU law, and that was a purposive, political decision based on the Supreme Court wanting to be seen to be supporting Scots law and because the UK was coming out of the EU anyway and enforcement action by the Pursuers (the Scotch Whisky Association) was pointless because of this. Its widely recognised amongst EU lawyers that the Advocate-General's advice was correct and that the Supreme Court decision would normally have led to action for breach of EU law.

www.ceev.eu/newsletter/minimum-unit-pricing-for-alcohol-in-scotland-opinion-from-the-advocate-general/

I cannot believe that people don't take the trouble to actually find out what accurately happened, rather than just believing what they are told to think. I realise its a technical issue, but its an important one in terms of Scottish independence and its supposed promised EU membership.

Every single country which joins the EU is subject to a lengthy joining period during which its laws and entire legal system is scrutinised for compliance. And not in the way in which the UK as one of the biggest member states joining in the 1970s got away with less scrutiny.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 10/12/2020 17:17

As far as I know that is also the case in St Albans, as the secondaries are decent.

Not sure how that happened then, maybe my friend is in an odd area.

Does Guildford have pandas, I ask?

Good question. Giant pandas and cute little red pandas, surely?

SabrinaThwaite · 10/12/2020 17:20

I cannot believe that people don't take the trouble to actually find out what accurately happened, rather than just believing what they are told to think.

Absolutely, now remind me who was claiming that Chris Boardman’s mother was killed cycling on Edinburgh roads?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 10/12/2020 17:21

We live near Guildford and I can't think of a single amenity we don't have within an hour of us.

Dry ski slope? No, google says you have one of those too Grin

VerlynWebbe · 10/12/2020 17:25

@AmaryllisNightAndDay

We live near Guildford and I can't think of a single amenity we don't have within an hour of us.

Dry ski slope? No, google says you have one of those too Grin

Otters! Has Guildford got otters frolicking happily in one of its lochs??!
TheMarzipanDildo · 10/12/2020 17:40

What’s the bet that this small child genius with Oxbridge ambitions will want to get an apprenticeship as a plumber at 16? Grin a far more sensible course of action IMO

SabrinaThwaite · 10/12/2020 17:47

Otters! Has Guildford got otters frolicking happily in one of its lochs??!

They have been spotted in the River Wey.

PenCreed · 10/12/2020 17:47

@AmaryllisNightAndDay

We live near Guildford and I can't think of a single amenity we don't have within an hour of us.

Dry ski slope? No, google says you have one of those too Grin

Pandas!

All comes down to the pandas.