Is it me or do most conspiracy theorists believe in EVERY conspiracy?

[HMSBeagle]

Dh knows a covid denier, so do I. Both of these people seem to believe in EVERY conspiracy.

Lizard Royal family, anti vax, no such thing as covid ( but also it was man made in a lab whilst not existing?) 9/11, David Ike, moon landings, micro chips from Bill Gates, you name it, they believe it.

If I made a video saying that clouds are really man made to hide surveillance cameras, or that pee is really plasma bleeding out because of toxins- they would believe me, even if its just BS I made up on a whim.

I am sure there is some truth in some conspiracies, but buying into all of them? Why?

I'm not bashing conspiracy theorists, just the wholesale buying into every conspiracy that I struggle with. It's like the only thing that matters is that someone is out to get people.

Or is this sometimes paranoia for some people? Because in a few people there is no differentiation. They just believe in each one as it comes out. Every single time.

I dont think we landed on the moon, the technology just didn't exist

Which technology?

We had rockets. We could form a vacuum tight chamber. We could liquify oxygen. We could navigate by the stars.

After that it's just maths and engineering- it was impressive for the time but not incredibly so.

It's much less credible that someone managed to get the hundreds of Scientists across the globe who tracked Apollo 11 to lie and managed to put a mirror on the moon, which is still there, without visiting.

The Saville thing was quite well known before he died though.

The lockdowns are so they can test the 5g. The virus is for population control. When I pointed out that the expense of such an elaborate hoax was hardly worth it for an impact of 60 000 on the population, I was told that this was just the start and really it’s the vaccine that’s going to kill everyone else.
The vaccine is really a device to insert a chip.
The vaccine is also going to make all men sterile.

@ClarenceBoddicker

One example is he said Jimmy Saville was a paedophile. Some of his stuff is out there for sure though and wouldn’t just blithely believe most stuff. It’s a bit unfair to bracket alien abductions and 5G produced viruses with Epstein was most likely murdered though. I understand the post though. Some people do believe every conspiracy theory but some are things are labelled conspiracy theories to shut people down and to portray anyone who thinks this x y z inconvenience a loon.

Agreed. Most rational people believe that Epstein was likely murdered, though the official story is still that he committed suicide. It is not in the same vein as aliens or lizards or QAnon, and the label of "conspiracy theory" is seemingly applied only to dismiss questioning.

Anyone who makes a claim that 9/11 'was done by the US government' is a disgusting individual as well as a total idiot. Claiming the government murdered 3000 civilians on home soil despite there being no evidence whatsoever is not only moronic it is also vile

I think he was genuinely mentally ill on wogan about being the son of god and talking about royals being lizards. The ‘left’ are supposed to be sympathetic about mental illness.

What’s the left got to do with the price of cheese?

FarTooSkinny- there's plenty of evidence if you look. However,

Do not call conspiracy that which these people call a conspiracy, do not fear what they fear

There's a reason for it.

Conspiracy theories that are true (at least in some sense)

The amount of data crunching that goes on in terms of companies and government monitoring internet use.

There are some different medical ones that might apply - there are things like the tobacco companies which basically bought the research they wanted, and more recently revealed, sugar companies doing the same thing.

In medicine, there have been any number of cases of people being experimented on inappropriately - prisoners, people in other oppressed groups. People know that drug companies don't publish studies that don't show their products in a good light.

There have been all kinds of real military programs designed around weird chemical warfare attempts, mind control attempts, and such. actually had any number of weird plans around Castro and Cuba. Lots of governments have used propaganda, and not always overtly, things like the Russians involvement in media, bots, paying journalists.

The Gulf of Tonkin incident was totally faked, basically as propaganda. (Like the supposed fake moon landing.)

Now, arguably some of these might not seem like conspiracy theories, but I think if you framed them the right way, they sound a lot like it. And they make it clear that things are not so straightforward as they seem.

@Mimishimi

FarTooSkinny- there's plenty of evidence if you look. However,

Do not call conspiracy that which these people call a conspiracy, do not fear what they fear

There's a reason for it.

I alway see people say this and then when I ask for links they say "do your own research, there's loads" but can you share a link to an example of strong evidence as a starting point for people to look at?

Here’s hoping all the anti-vaxxers will cop it with the diseases they didn’t believe in/didn’t want to vaccinate against and we’ll evolve to become a less moronic world.

Not anti vaxxer dear plenty are not having but hey love your logic wanting someone to cop it from a virus that has a good 99% survival rate get many people are actually dying of cancer, we still have pneumonia, septicemia oh and it was said that this vaccine may not stop transmission, or getting it. Your comment is one special stupid 🙄

Be careful why you wish on others regardless of your beliefs on this as it varies even across the medical board. Life has many diseases and some quickly and fatal that come on suddenly and tomorrow is never promised.

@Mimishimi

FarTooSkinny- there's plenty of evidence if you look

No there isn't. There is no credible evidence whatsoever that the US government deliberately murdered 3000 civilians on their own soil. There is lots of bullshit on the internet. That is not evidence.

@Mimishimi

FarTooSkinny- there's plenty of evidence if you look. However,

Do not call conspiracy that which these people call a conspiracy, do not fear what they fear

There's a reason for it.

Why the cryptic speech here? Why do all conspiracy theorists talk in "code" like this? It really doesn't sound as intelligent as you think it does.

This probably wont go down well but the people who've got into this on my social media are the same people who ive always thought had personality disorders and stuff. The type who you could probably easily convince to murder somebody to 'fit in', who are always cheating on their partners and stuff. Also a correlation between Conspiracy theorists and MLMs.

If the ones you know are anything like the ones I know, they smoke weed regularly. But of course, there's no link between weed and paranoia at all...

reading this link it seems there may be something in my theory

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180925075108.htm

"These people tend to be more suspicious, untrusting, eccentric, needing to feel special, with a tendency to regard the world as an inherently dangerous place," Hart said. "They are also more likely to detect meaningful patterns where they might not exist. People who are reluctant to believe in conspiracy theories tend to have the opposite qualities."

I especially enjoyed this sentence

''Hart's study also showed that conspiracists had distinct cognitive tendencies: they were more likely than nonbelievers to judge nonsensical statements as profound (a tendency known as "BS receptivity")''

Well thats bollocks Ludothedog because it was a high velocity rifle round which killed JFK, which the FBI/secret service were not carrying.

Those going on about Icke 'having some points'. Do you not see this is exactly what the OP is talking about? he just attaches himself to any theory and then any that turn out half true he can claim hes always been right? is it insane to claim there might be paedophiles in big organisations like the BBC and broadcasting and the church? no. Is it insane to claim the royal family are lizards? yes

@donquixotedelamancha

I dont think we landed on the moon, the technology just didn't exist

Which technology?

We had rockets. We could form a vacuum tight chamber. We could liquify oxygen. We could navigate by the stars.

After that it's just maths and engineering- it was impressive for the time but not incredibly so.

It's much less credible that someone managed to get the hundreds of Scientists across the globe who tracked Apollo 11 to lie and managed to put a mirror on the moon, which is still there, without visiting.

...At this point we usually get " but computers"..

Well we had computers in the 60s and 70s, even smallish ones (remember things like the PDP 8 anybody?) ..certainly nothing like enough capacity to run a GUI (it was verbs, nouns, registers, back in that day, none of this mouse stuff), but then again no requirement to get bogged down running browsers to liase with the internet (if it had been invented), take and show images or do the umpteen other things the bloated apps we have on mobile phones these days but just enough to do the required number crunching.

At the development stage because computing power was poor designs were often tested and tweaked achieved by running components to destruction and picking through the pieces rather than using simulations ( see the development of the Saturn V F-1 engine)

....Inertial navigation systems were available on 60's build aircraft...in fact in general the "technology" required for the Moon Landings was available and also the spin offs were in place on aircraft around the same time or just after the Apollo missions.

The one friend of mine that believes in conspiracy theories has very poor mental health generally & so is vulnerable to this type of thing.

Apparently opioid addiction is common amongst conspiracy theorists. Also seems like high levels of anxiety, fear and lack of control can contribute to the reasons why people become more susceptible to them.

This is interesting, although I don't know how reliable it is:

psychcentral.com/blog/conspiracy-theory-disorder-understanding-why-people-believe/

No, I only believe in sensible conspiracies.

[quote FarTooSkinny]**@Mimishimi

FarTooSkinny- there's plenty of evidence if you look

No there isn't. There is no credible evidence whatsoever that the US government deliberately murdered 3000 civilians on their own soil. There is lots of bullshit on the internet. That is not evidence.[/quote]
I asked @Mimishimi upthread if they could please link a credible source I can read - I always ask people who believe in 9/11 conspiracies, not to be goady but because I genuinely want to read from a variety of sources rather than living in an echo chamber. But nobody ever shares anything, they just say "do your own research" or "there's plenty out there" which undermines their claims there is loads of proof. Very frustrating!

I suspect that conspiracy theorists are always looking for 'evidence' to back up the flimsy evidence for the GREAT TRUTH they have uncovered and the rest of us deniers are ignorant.

So, when they find tangential 'evidence' that overlaps with another conspiracy theory, they have to find a way of accepting that theory into their own haphazard house of cards.

To convince themselves that 'new' evidence is true they must also have to accept the fact the structure ('theory') supporting that evidence must also be true. Because, if they didn't, the new evidence would be suspect and open to doubt and the one thing conspiracy theorists reserve for themselves is doubt.

They can doubt everything but no one can doubt them.

Fuck you, OP. Elvis IS alive.

No.

Not all.