Really very sad with France!

[Friendsoftheearth]

I am quietly furious with France. We have been going to France between three and four times a year, every year for pretty much all of my adult life. We have spent most summer holidays, skiing and all the rest, choosing France as our destination over all over countries.

Every week I buy French cheeses, wine and truffle oils, and we are very big fans of France and French cuisine.

Even taking into account that Macron should hope and push for the best deal for their fishing industry, I still find it incredulous and insulting that they should be demanding ten years of fish, and are offering us a paltry percentage. Ten years.
They are in a total stand off regarding an even playing field, I understand the reasons for this, but honestly they are pushing all of us to a no deal outcome, that will see French fisherman with no catch whatsoever, and high tariffs slapped on all imports from France. Tourism will be destroyed as people will no longer wish to go there. It could poison relations for decades.

I am aware of the history between the UK and France, but rather naively thought we had moved on from that a very long time ago, I am in despair at the eleventh hour demands, and feel this is in very bad faith. It has really highlighted to me how little respect France have for us as a country.

I feel like I never want to go again, despite having a tentative booking for a holiday in the spring of next year.

Oh hang on @Friendsoftheearth, I've just received Macron's official response to your earlier missive :

"Que tu sois insultée qu'on essaie de faire de notre mieux pour protger les interets legitimes de notre pays au bout de supporter 6ans de caprices de ton petit isle de merde, j'en ai strictement rien à foutre, vous pouvez tous allez vous faire foutre, bande de brexiteurs ringards. Bon courage pour la suite, ça va surement partir en couilles, gros bisous, Manu"

@Friendsoftheearth

Sorry to trouble you with my real life, but my kids need picking up, silly me to have a real life and all, but don't let me stop your insults

Brexit is nearly over once and for all. It will be missed like the lancing of piles by some, others are clearly very over invested in the subject.

Have a good afternoon all!

The repercussions of Brexshit are far from over. You are clearly over invested since you started the thread. Even all that French wine and cheese can't divert you from the subject for long. Au revoir.

What's that twitter account that just takes the piss out of Mumsnet? This thread is 100% going on there. I'd stake all my wine and cheese on it!

@Friendsoftheearth

I think Ireland will leave the EU in less than five years. Maximum five years.

Well you are deeply misinformed then, OP.

Under no circumstances will Ireland leave the EU in one year, five years or twenty years - because that would be a fucking stupid thing to do.

There is never going to be “no deal” with the EU long term. Worst case scenario is no trade deal in the short term. Just hope we don’t get some sort of financial armageddon from that. I don’t think either we or the EU should take that risk.

@livefornaps

Oh hang on *@Friendsoftheearth*, I've just received Macron's official response to your earlier missive :

"Que tu sois insultée qu'on essaie de faire de notre mieux pour protger les interets legitimes de notre pays au bout de supporter 6ans de caprices de ton petit isle de merde, j'en ai strictement rien à foutre, vous pouvez tous allez vous faire foutre, bande de brexiteurs ringards. Bon courage pour la suite, ça va surement partir en couilles, gros bisous, Manu"

mdr chapeau

@livefornaps

Oh hang on *@Friendsoftheearth*, I've just received Macron's official response to your earlier missive :

"Que tu sois insultée qu'on essaie de faire de notre mieux pour protger les interets legitimes de notre pays au bout de supporter 6ans de caprices de ton petit isle de merde, j'en ai strictement rien à foutre, vous pouvez tous allez vous faire foutre, bande de brexiteurs ringards. Bon courage pour la suite, ça va surement partir en couilles, gros bisous, Manu"

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@livefornaps

Oh hang on *@Friendsoftheearth*, I've just received Macron's official response to your earlier missive :

"Que tu sois insultée qu'on essaie de faire de notre mieux pour protger les interets legitimes de notre pays au bout de supporter 6ans de caprices de ton petit isle de merde, j'en ai strictement rien à foutre, vous pouvez tous allez vous faire foutre, bande de brexiteurs ringards. Bon courage pour la suite, ça va surement partir en couilles, gros bisous, Manu"

Not disputing the right to vote for lying arseholes at all. Clearly we have fully availed of that right. Just pointing out that you would have far more difficulty pushing the lies about the EU in Ireland, where ordinary people understand how the EU works much better.

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@Friendsoftheearth

There is very high support for the EU in Ireland. There are the usual nutters muttering against it - the usual types.

Where did you get the impression that Ireland will leave the EU in five years ?[/quote]
Reminds me of that utter fuckwit about three years ago who appealed to Ireland to 'rejoin the union'.

We never fucking joined in the first place.

When we lived in Germany we always referred to France as the revolving door of Europe, never spent a sou there.

"vous pouvez tous allez vous faire foutre,"

Is the kind of French they should teach on Duolingo!

Apologies if this has already been said but, OP, you're either pathologically deluded or you made this thread up hoping to muster lots of slavish solidarity with your lost cause, ie. Bastard Brexit othering.

Well, tough merde. If you were genuine, it'd be your own fault for not following the last 18 months of hyper-cynical manipulation, lying and bullying that Johnson and Plebs have been indulging in over Brexit. We are where we are because entitled airheads like yourself haven't made it your business to challenge the criminals who've been vandalising our international standing and ripping up many of our rights.

And if the inevitable outcome of all that is now hitting the fan and putting a crimp in your ooh la la plans, well... bon! Welcome to the real world. Maybe you're learning something about it 🐿️

This gives some clear explanation about UK fishing quotas:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

This post is the epitome of English exceptionalism

I think the French economy will scrape by without your cheese money OP.

I can't believe how rude people are being on this thread. Full of ad hominen attacks and very little in the say of actual counter argument. It's just bullying.

[quote NobleElephantheThird]@Alondra- nonsense. Look at the population size of Norway and Switzerland yet economically they are significant nations. We have just as much potential. Educated population, very creative thinkers, substantial service industries, fewer social problems than e.g. France.[/quote]
Norway is a 5.5 million country extraordinarily rich in resources that is part of the EEA and EFTA. Being part of the EEA was an option for the UK offered by the EU which was rejected by May.

Switzerland has 8 million people, being the banking capital of Europe since medieval times and a couple of months ago rejected in a referendum to restrict free movement with the EU.

Don't compare apple with oranges.

Gosh, and there was I thinking this was going to be about the wholesale oppression of the freedom of observers to report on police brutality, or about the thinly veiled islamophobic law they are about to pass.

In the catalogue of Macron’s sins, Brexit doesn’t even make first page.

@laudemio

I can't believe how rude people are being on this thread. Full of ad hominen attacks and very little in the say of actual counter argument. It's just bullying.

There isn't an actual argument to counter.

TBF, I suspect the OP had real clarity over what they wanted from this thread and achieved their goal. I didn't see their COVID thread to see if there was the same intent and approach.

@Friendsoftheearth Ireland won’t leave the EU in 5 years, why would they.

It is likely however that this will push a United ireland closer and Ireland will be further embedded in the EU.

As an Irish person with close ties to the UK this whole thing makes me incredibly sad, England seem to want to revert back into some sort of rule Britannia coma without realising the whole world has changed around them

I do think that the focus on Macron and fishing rights is a distraction that people are yet again falling for. Does anyone truly believe that the (relatively small) fishing industry would destroy a deal?

Who owns the fishing rights will be a bit irrelevant when overfishing means that there aren't any fish left to catch.

@laudemio

I can't believe how rude people are being on this thread. Full of ad hominen attacks and very little in the say of actual counter argument. It's just bullying.

Is this your first time on Mumsnet?