Really very sad with France!

[Friendsoftheearth]

I am quietly furious with France. We have been going to France between three and four times a year, every year for pretty much all of my adult life. We have spent most summer holidays, skiing and all the rest, choosing France as our destination over all over countries.

Every week I buy French cheeses, wine and truffle oils, and we are very big fans of France and French cuisine.

Even taking into account that Macron should hope and push for the best deal for their fishing industry, I still find it incredulous and insulting that they should be demanding ten years of fish, and are offering us a paltry percentage. Ten years.
They are in a total stand off regarding an even playing field, I understand the reasons for this, but honestly they are pushing all of us to a no deal outcome, that will see French fisherman with no catch whatsoever, and high tariffs slapped on all imports from France. Tourism will be destroyed as people will no longer wish to go there. It could poison relations for decades.

I am aware of the history between the UK and France, but rather naively thought we had moved on from that a very long time ago, I am in despair at the eleventh hour demands, and feel this is in very bad faith. It has really highlighted to me how little respect France have for us as a country.

I feel like I never want to go again, despite having a tentative booking for a holiday in the spring of next year.

Boris could come back with a gold plated deal or SFA for all I care. I don't give a jot. The strength of my feeling comes from principle.

A free country should be just that.

You can hurl your insults, you can say whatever you like - but one day it will dawn on you, the point of all of this havoc and stress, the importance of what we are doing - one day when the EU fires up its army and nations no longer exist in a real sense, but just window dressing for the tourists that flock there, it might just be worth thinking that old friends may have had a point. That sometimes we are not always right.

I have spent years listening carefully to the weak remain case, years trying to understand why you feel a superstate is better than an independent country - because you feel unsafe basically - because you are so unused to a country governing itself the thought actually terrifies you. Well hold on, because we are just about to do exactly that.

It is a tremendous moment in our history.

SHE BOUGHT CHEESE!!!!

WEEKLY!!!

Of course it’s personal

But will that baton-receiving younger generation appreciate what you've achieved with Brexit, OP? The youth of today with their tolerance, their cosmopolitan attitudes. Still they'll get older and set in their ways and distrust the EU. By then the EU will have self-destructed so they'll have to distrust the memory of the EU but even so.

For someone who “lives in the SW of England” I suspect OP is more familiar with clear spirits than Doom Bar.

I think it must be parody.

years trying to understand why you feel a superstate is better than an independent country - because you feel unsafe basically - because you are so unused to a country governing itself the thought actually terrifies you

No i dont

I am disappointed with so many years to practice, you are still entirely incapable of putting forward a coherent case for remain, and instead insult my mental capacity or whatever.

It says everything about you, not me.

Been admiring your posts zilla

@Friendsoftheearth

Yeah, you've jumped the shark now.

@Friendsoftheearth

I am disappointed with so many years to practice, you are still entirely incapable of putting forward a coherent case for remain, and instead insult my mental capacity or whatever.

It says everything about you, not me.

Who are you youing?

General you?

You are totally misguided if you do have not extensive contacts in Europe, and have not touched or understood on the growing feeling and awareness there too that the EU is all wrong (again) and the superstate is once again rearing its ugly head.
Well I am not in the UK, I'm in Italy where apparently we can't wait to leave the EU. Except almost without without exception everyone I know wants to remain even if they are not particularly fans of the EU as an institution . Why? Because by and large they don't seem to have a whole national identity crisis going on which means they feel the have to equate being patriotic without hating the EU. They know that the EU is largely a union for trade and that it works for the good of its members. They know they would be worse off without it and Brexit has reinforced this. No one in their right mind would look at the Brexit shenanigans and say "yes, please, me next". And btw out of my window I can see my neighbour's EU flag on his balcony - a lot of people put them up where I live. Never seen that in the UK.

A free country should be just that.
please define
because the WTO rules will control the UK far more unfairly than the EU ever did
and without trade
the UK goes back 13000 years

All that French cheese is giving the OP nightmares.
Step away from the brie.

*they feel they have to equate being patriotic WITH hating the EU

Will this be another Claig implosion?

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer, high praise, I think I've seen your posts across threads too. I try. Usually as displacement activity for things I should be doing IRL.

Or the young may just have some vision and look further afield one might hope zilla

After all real cultures and tribes exist in the world that are hugely exciting, and the opportunities to learn something truly and completely new are more apparent outside the EU.

It is a tremendous moment in our history

Give over!

[quote Zilla1]@RufustheSniggeringReindeer, high praise, I think I've seen your posts across threads too. I try. Usually as displacement activity for things I should be doing IRL.[/quote]
😀🍷

I don't think we will be looking to you for neutrality europilgrim given your user name and all that.

I'm enjoying this now.
Thanks, OP. Light relief after a trying day.
The tribes bit is especially good.

@Friendsoftheearth

Or the young may just have some vision and look further afield one might hope zilla

After all real cultures and tribes exist in the world that are hugely exciting, and the opportunities to learn something truly and completely new are more apparent outside the EU.

My DD, as soon as she is qualified next year will be taking her Healthcare skills to Australia, that far enough for you?

Donkeys again, because they didn't get the love they deserved from a transparent, corruption free nation they deserved, they are a rare breed dontcha know !

Incredible moment for our beautiful, beloved green country, and when this all settles and we are enjoying English wine I will toast you all