Really very sad with France!

[Friendsoftheearth]

I am quietly furious with France. We have been going to France between three and four times a year, every year for pretty much all of my adult life. We have spent most summer holidays, skiing and all the rest, choosing France as our destination over all over countries.

Every week I buy French cheeses, wine and truffle oils, and we are very big fans of France and French cuisine.

Even taking into account that Macron should hope and push for the best deal for their fishing industry, I still find it incredulous and insulting that they should be demanding ten years of fish, and are offering us a paltry percentage. Ten years.
They are in a total stand off regarding an even playing field, I understand the reasons for this, but honestly they are pushing all of us to a no deal outcome, that will see French fisherman with no catch whatsoever, and high tariffs slapped on all imports from France. Tourism will be destroyed as people will no longer wish to go there. It could poison relations for decades.

I am aware of the history between the UK and France, but rather naively thought we had moved on from that a very long time ago, I am in despair at the eleventh hour demands, and feel this is in very bad faith. It has really highlighted to me how little respect France have for us as a country.

I feel like I never want to go again, despite having a tentative booking for a holiday in the spring of next year.

@Friendsoftheearth

Thanks girlsblouse the thread has reached a new low to be fair. Any minute now it will reach its maximum and another brexit thread will hit the out tray into oblivion - thankfully the threads are decreasing all the time, and soon it will be nothing but a distant memory.

Children of the future when they ask what on earth was the point of two world wars killing millions and millions of people for independence if we were so willing to give up so freely just a few decades later. We can say we did our bit to preserve and protect our independence, democracy, accountability and transparency.
That we believed in the EU union when it was based on friendship, mutual respect and trading, but when inevitably the institution started to erode at our freedoms, strip us of our power and accountability - millions of us did the right thing and were/are ready to sacrifice almost anything and everything to prevent the UK joining and eventually being lost to the EU superstate.

We will tell our children that just like the Germans at the time, we had many many people here - remainers - that did not care to protect our independence or democracy, and they fought a cold war of lies and deceit because they could not tell the truth. It will seem crazy to our future children, as it does to us now when we look at the gas lighting of the German nation, because people genuinely believe they are right, just like they did before. They will accept no alternative.

It seems that not enough lessons were learnt from the past, so we have to go through it again. And again. History on repeat.

It is mighty depressing, but I for one feel proud that the UK can see what is happening, that we did something to change it, we stood up for what is right.

I am sure I will be called every thing under the sun for stating such a thing on this thread, but we can not forget the past or we make the same mistakes in the future.

I for one could not care less any longer which way it goes. I have always loved France, and my holidays and trips there, but I can not see it the same way any longer. Even if Macron is all bluster and bluff, I see it as the true extent of their feelings towards us, and for me it is a step too far.

What bollocks.

I've just read all your post OP, I can't quite decide if this is a parody or not.

Oh my god

The last post reminds me of that speech Basil makes in Fawlty towers

I know I recognised it!

Xenophobes gonna xenophobe.

We've got the two world wars bit in. I'm surprised we've not got to surrendering primates yet.

I'm sorry, but this thread is so 2016.

Brexiter Jim Ratcliffe loves France. So much so, he's abandoned Wales to move his car plant to France.

www.ft.com/content/0f43f524-f59c-4936-a0cb-f153a415e19c

I could not give a FF which way you take it ken

I speak from my heart, and sadly again you are unable to stand up to the truth, not able to tell me I am wrong that the EU commission is something else from what I have described.

You see, when challenged remainers get spiteful because it is the last resort for them. Put on the spot, they can't actually argue with the fact there is no accountability, transparency or honesty at the heart of the EU commission. They get stressed and sweaty and tell me it is there to prevent wars not cause them, it was created for peace, and maybe it was forty odd years ago, but that moment has long since passed, and anyone with half a brain can see where it is headed now.

Bravo OP such a stirring little speech.

How is your distaste of whale meat and fur going?

I'm sorry, but this thread is so 2016.

That's exactly what I was thinking!

@Friendsoftheearth

Stop wetting yourself fresh and perhaps learn to listen and debate.

Thats rich coming from you lol!

From the sublime to the ridiculous......

I can't help feeling you are rather over egging the pudding or patriotically getting rid of your French wine stash

They're obviously worried, RTB.

If you detest the EU for being unelected and unaccountable
you are going to LOVE the WTO

‘If this little hotel is not to your taste,
then you are free to say so, that is your privilege.

And I shall of course refund your money.
I know how important it is to you Americans.

But you must remember that here in Britain,
there are things we value more,

things that perhaps in America
you've forgotten about,

but which to we British
are far, far more important...‘

This speech 😀

Just need to change it to remainers and leavers

@Zilla1

I am very disappointed at PPs calling into question the OP's statement about the UK being a world leader concerning corruption. You should all be proud, bigly proud that London is the de facto international capital of tax management and saving. Do you not want the UK to be a world leader in anything? You'll be criticising arm's exports next. So unpatriotic.

Bigly proud? Of our ever-flexible and expressive language maybe, but not that we’re an EU leader in number of most deprived areas and tax avoidance, no. Deprivation and tax avoidance go hand in hand.

Yes, OP, what did the EU ever do for us. Except improved living standards. Single market and tariff free trade. Better rights for disadvantaged groups. Ease of recreational travel. Limiting the exploitation by internationals with monopolistic power. Apart from all that and more, what did the EU ever do for us?

Friends i happen to like the EU, i don't think its this snake pit you suggest and in 4 years, not you or anyone else has come up with a decent argument to leave.

Sure, like any institute (even the NHS) it needs improvement but all you want to do is smash up europe.

@Friendsoftheearth - now you see, it is those Europeans that you claim we love so much that we fought war after war against for centuries, playing silly games of one upmanship, making agreements with one little group and then breaking them in favour of another little arrangement elsewhere. I don’t see why that is such a fantastic thing to return to.

It's a parody @KenDodd. It can't be anything else. The OP has been taking the absolute piss out of ardent Brexiteers. She has them down to a tee with her alternative facts and reality.

@pepperwort, but it's the freedom. our very sovereignty. People in the UK are free, free I say, to reside in some of the most deprived areas in Europe.

Just think for a second. Many Member States have emerged from the Soviet Bloc and built whole economies and raised their entire nations' living standards to higher than those deprived parts of the UK in a single generation. corruption. probably.

But still, that EU. Hidebound. bureaucratic. It'll fail and they'll all want to form a union with the UK.

See we hear all the old insults, because remainers can NOT argue with the truth, they can not say no you are wrong friends, and these are the reasons why. It is honestly laughable.

This is why the majority voted to leave in the first place, because a few French houses and a gap year option to work as a bartender in Europe is never going to make up for everything that we losing, and you know it.
So no, the gravy train stops here. If it never runs again then so be it, but I for one could not give a damn. You are totally misguided if you do have not extensive contacts in Europe, and have not touched or understood on the growing feeling and awareness there too that the EU is all wrong (again) and the superstate is once again rearing its ugly head.

We will always have those blindsided by the brain washing here in the UK as you can see from this thread, that we can not survive and flourish outside the EU, it will take time but we will most certainly, and when we hand over the baton to the next young generation, we have least given them a country they can actually govern!

the fact there is no accountability, transparency or honesty at the heart of the EU commission

Bit like the current incumbant English government then

Your taking this very very personally op
That’s all I can say !

what did the EU ever do for us?
Wine.
Helped establish law and order and peace in NI with their funding.
Oh yeah and Roads.

I think its pretty obvious who's been brainwashed on this post! 🤔

Although I suspect this post is a complete piss take as no one could be that deluded surely..........

We will tell our children that just like the Germans at the time, we had many many people here - remainers - that did not care to protect our independence or democracy, and they fought a cold war of lies and deceit because they could not tell the truth. It will seem crazy to our future children, as it does to us now when we look at the gas lighting of the German nation, because people genuinely believe they are right, just like they did before. They will accept no alternative

It was funny before but now you appear to have escaped a secure unit. Are you safe? Do you need assistance?