Really very sad with France!

[Friendsoftheearth]

I am quietly furious with France. We have been going to France between three and four times a year, every year for pretty much all of my adult life. We have spent most summer holidays, skiing and all the rest, choosing France as our destination over all over countries.

Every week I buy French cheeses, wine and truffle oils, and we are very big fans of France and French cuisine.

Even taking into account that Macron should hope and push for the best deal for their fishing industry, I still find it incredulous and insulting that they should be demanding ten years of fish, and are offering us a paltry percentage. Ten years.
They are in a total stand off regarding an even playing field, I understand the reasons for this, but honestly they are pushing all of us to a no deal outcome, that will see French fisherman with no catch whatsoever, and high tariffs slapped on all imports from France. Tourism will be destroyed as people will no longer wish to go there. It could poison relations for decades.

I am aware of the history between the UK and France, but rather naively thought we had moved on from that a very long time ago, I am in despair at the eleventh hour demands, and feel this is in very bad faith. It has really highlighted to me how little respect France have for us as a country.

I feel like I never want to go again, despite having a tentative booking for a holiday in the spring of next year.

I think Ireland will leave the EU in less than five years. Maximum five years.

Based on what? Their 93% approval rating?

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OP, some kind of alliance is going to be on the cards very soon with Switzerland and other nordic countries.

Get your geography right op, you mean Norway, the rest of us are in the EU.

Ireland will leave the EU based on the most recent 90+% Remain poll result they had. is that you, Nigel. You aren't covering yourself in glory, are you?

@Friendsoftheearth

Once the EU force them to tow the line on the corporate tax front, my expectation is that Ireland will have to leave.

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Like feck we will. Ireland knows what the EU has done for us and seeing Britain trying and failing to control Ireland has brought us a certain sense of schadenfreude. That's all down to having the EU power behind us.

Once the EU force them to tow the line on the corporate tax front, my expectation is that Ireland will have to leave

You need medication, seriously. You're deluded.

@Friendsoftheearth - if the UK had a viable fishing industry and was at risk of national unrest if seen to sell that down the river for a country that had no viable fishing industry but fancied starting one up again, for sovereignty’s sake, would you sell your fishing industry down the river without a fight? Compromise is what EU membership is about. Sovereignty is about fighting and irritating your enemies.

French politicians have always been wanks about Britain and the EU, but its brexiters fault. Macron's only job is to get the best for his country and the rest of the EU now.

I feel that the OP knows nothing about Ireland. Either part of Ireland.

Yes, Brexit will be proven right when Ireland and every other nation leaves the EU (and wants to join the UK, probably) in the next five years. Let's hope there's no Scottish referendum before then to muddy the waters. If they leave, they'll probably want to rejoin. Ungrateful Scots. And Ungrateful EU. After all we've done for them. Scots are not remembering the referendum anyway. All that about staying in the UK being the only way to stay in the EU wasn't said. Probably.

“I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way”
“ Switzerland and other nordic countries...”

OP I’m scarlet for you. Tell you what lay off the wine for a bit and read the news and take a gander at where Switzerland is on Google Maps. Then have a little lie down.

@Alondra- nonsense. Look at the population size of Norway and Switzerland yet economically they are significant nations. We have just as much potential. Educated population, very creative thinkers, substantial service industries, fewer social problems than e.g. France.

"Once the EU force them to tow the line on the corporate tax front, my expectation is that Ireland will have to leave."
Anyone would think Ireland is an independent sovereign nation that occasionally does stuff to piss off the EU but still prefers to be a member?
You are comedy gold

Ireland has something like 80%plus who want to stay in the EU, You're talking nonsense again Friend.

I can't wait for this to be over now.

Yes, I understand that, OP. It must be incredibly difficult for Brexiteers to live with the dawning reality of the shitshow that they have created, and to have to keep coming up with new reasons as to why none of it can possibly be their fault. I imagine it's exhausting.

Naturally, you want the issue to go away so that you won't have to think about it any more, but I'm afraid that's not going to happen for a long time. Acceptance is probably the best way forward at this point. Yes, we've made a mistake, so now we just have to own that mistake and do our best under the circumstances that we're in.

I feel that the OP knows nothing about Ireland. Either part of Ireland

If course she doesn't. She'd probably enjoy Wild Mountain Thyme!

Also it's "toe" the line.

What will we all talk about once this is done, and everyone has been vaccinated?

The EU in the last few days have done a great job in showing us all why the brexiteers voted to leave.

From a 'passionate remainer'. My arse.

With this and yesterdays attempt you arnt hiding your intention very well.

gracie yes quite right, naughty auto correct :)

Ignore anyone who talks in terms of a divorce where one partner wants to keep the house, have sex and washing done and sell chlorinated chicken in the family's organic shop. That's remoaner talk.
Agree. It beggar's belief that mumsnetters think they can draw parallels between the complex world of international politics/law and the rubbish normally posted on relationship threads.

And it is hilarious when people accuse people like me of being a Brexiteer. Couldn't be further from it! We are were we are. Accept the situation and make the most of it. The vote was 4 years ago.

What will we talk about? Well, you will have name changed because you will be too ashamed to admit how much of a cheerleader you were. So we can talk about anything.

Ah, the old argument that if you complain about the utter ineptitude and corruption at the heart of the UK government, you are anti-British and should live elsewhere. If only all the anti-EU people had followed their own advice while we were EU members, and left the UK for a non-EU country, we wouldn't be in this pickle now.

And of course, many of us would like the option to move to an EU country, but now we can't, because that right has been taken away from us. We're not all as fortunate as Farage, who organised German passports quick smart for his own kids, or Rees-Mogg, who moved business interests to Ireland to keep them in the EU. It's all very much 'do as I say, not as I do'.

@Friendsoftheearth

Macron is trying to shaft the UK. It is exposed in its full glory at the 11th hour. It is not about the French fisherman or standing up for France, as they will suffer the worst from a no deal no question. This is about spiteful revenge, a final opportunity to see if he can land a punch.

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way, and if there was another ref now I would expect a landslide to leave. The EU in the last few days have done a great job in showing us all why the brexiteers voted to leave.

No, it’s Brexiteers that have turned it into a cult who have shafted this country. That and the intransigence of Johnson and his merry men.