Really very sad with France!

[Friendsoftheearth]

I am quietly furious with France. We have been going to France between three and four times a year, every year for pretty much all of my adult life. We have spent most summer holidays, skiing and all the rest, choosing France as our destination over all over countries.

Every week I buy French cheeses, wine and truffle oils, and we are very big fans of France and French cuisine.

Even taking into account that Macron should hope and push for the best deal for their fishing industry, I still find it incredulous and insulting that they should be demanding ten years of fish, and are offering us a paltry percentage. Ten years.
They are in a total stand off regarding an even playing field, I understand the reasons for this, but honestly they are pushing all of us to a no deal outcome, that will see French fisherman with no catch whatsoever, and high tariffs slapped on all imports from France. Tourism will be destroyed as people will no longer wish to go there. It could poison relations for decades.

I am aware of the history between the UK and France, but rather naively thought we had moved on from that a very long time ago, I am in despair at the eleventh hour demands, and feel this is in very bad faith. It has really highlighted to me how little respect France have for us as a country.

I feel like I never want to go again, despite having a tentative booking for a holiday in the spring of next year.

Macron is trying to shaft the UK.
It is exposed in its full glory at the 11th hour. It is not about the French fisherman or standing up for France, as they will suffer the worst from a no deal no question. This is about spiteful revenge, a final opportunity to see if he can land a punch.

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way, and if there was another ref now I would expect a landslide to leave. The EU in the last few days have done a great job in showing us all why the brexiteers voted to leave.

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way

Oh hai, from the Republic of Ireland.

@NobleElephantheThird
oh ffs....
U.K. GDP (PPP): $3.04 trillion
France GDP (PPP): $2.96 trillion

So how are we in a much better economy?

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way

That's interesting, OP. How do you feel about the way that the PM has treated ROI? Or do you not regard ROI as a close ally?

@TheKeatingFive

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way

Oh hai, from the Republic of Ireland.

Indeed.

@AlexaShutUp

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way

That's interesting, OP. How do you feel about the way that the PM has treated ROI? Or do you not regard ROI as a close ally?

Or even the way he has treated N Ireland which is actually part of the UK (regardless of how people feel about whether it should be or not).

would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way,

Have you actually followed what has been said and done by british politicians about the EU? and I'm not sure the Irish agree with you that your politicians are gentlemanly.

@Friendsoftheearth

Macron is trying to shaft the UK. It is exposed in its full glory at the 11th hour. It is not about the French fisherman or standing up for France, as they will suffer the worst from a no deal no question. This is about spiteful revenge, a final opportunity to see if he can land a punch.

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way, and if there was another ref now I would expect a landslide to leave. The EU in the last few days have done a great job in showing us all why the brexiteers voted to leave.

Do you even understand what propaganda you are spouting?

1. Please explain in detail who France will suffer worse from a no deal?
2. a close ally with any integrity and a backbone would never try to pass a domestic law stating that "whatever international law is, if we feel like it we'll break it."

1. Another list please to show us why the brexiteers voted to leave that the EU now is showing us?

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way

Then you must be incandescent at Boris and his epic shafting of Ireland.

Please do tell us just how cross you are about that? Ireland is a much closer ally of the UK than France has ever been. You must be spitting feathers!!

"I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way, "

Ireland doesn't count then? Classic

Or even the way he has treated N Ireland which is actually part of the UK (regardless of how people feel about whether it should be or not).

Well, yes indeed, and the Northern Irish aren't the only ones in the UK to get shafted by this government either.

The EU in the last few days have done a great job in showing us all why the brexiteers voted to leave.

"My ex-wife refusing to wash my keks in the last few days has done a great job of showing us all why I decided to leave."

You're sooo predictable.

noble It is my understanding that some kind of alliance is going to be on the cards very soon with Switzerland and other nordic countries. The UK will also join the alliance with NZ and Australia etc, and it is my understanding that Biden is also very keen for the US to join. So it could be that Switzerland's problems are easier after brexit, and many of the issues that the heart of the Swiss mirror the same as the UK.

When you actually look behind the froth and clamour of the UK's EU departure, there is a very appealing outline of what the future actually looks like. I can't wait for this to be over now.

if there was another ref now I would expect a landslide to leave

These figures from November 28 suggest otherwise.

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

These are UK waters and the absolute brass fucking neck of france demanding rights over them for TEN years is insane!!

Imagine it were the other way round! They'd never agree.

Macron is trying to shaft the UK.It is exposed in its full glory at the 11th hour. It is not about the French fisherman or standing up for France, as they will suffer the worst from a no deal no question. This is about spiteful revenge, a final opportunity to see if he can land a punch

And this is not at all true, you've been reading the Express too much. You need to understand the France, and the rest of the EU, does not care enough about you to damage themselves to "land a punch". You don't matter.
Macron is doing his job: protecting France and the UK. You're mad because your leaders are not doing the same for you.

France and the EU that is, not UK

@Friendsoftheearth

Macron is trying to shaft the UK. It is exposed in its full glory at the 11th hour. It is not about the French fisherman or standing up for France, as they will suffer the worst from a no deal no question. This is about spiteful revenge, a final opportunity to see if he can land a punch.

I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way, and if there was another ref now I would expect a landslide to leave. The EU in the last few days have done a great job in showing us all why the brexiteers voted to leave.

And with that, OP quite literally disappeared up her own backside in a corkscrew doublespeak whammy the like of which the world had literally never seen before

Our recent PMs have done exactly what you just outlined above to our closest allies - basically thumbed their noses at a partnership in which we had an outrageously unbalanced series of advantages, lied to their own electorate (you're not livid about that either?) in order to secure a leave vote, and have after that pursued a path through 'negotiation' which is absolutely, totally embarrassing.

Talk about circular thinking. The EU might well have simply finally had enough of trying to secure any reasonable outcome. In which case, they'll act in their own interests. And you honestly think that the UK responding to that with an astonished tantrum, that it is not actually being put first by the union it elected to leave - is reasonable. Is evidence of 'why' we left. Well no. It's not, is it? Because when 'we' decided to leave, none of that was happening and actually we had the absolute best, gold-plated deal in Europe and we flung it in their faces.

You would now expect a landslide if the vote happened again? The only thing I can say on that is that as we're still being lied to and lied to by the government on what any likely outcomes are, it's still possible that a few leave votes might be drummed up, yes.

I think Ireland will leave the EU in less than five years. Maximum five years.

Actually, OP. Take a lesson from MN. Spiteful EU is obviously a narcissist. Go NC.

Ignore anyone who talks in terms of a divorce where one partner wants to keep the house, have sex and washing done and sell chlorinated chicken in the family's organic shop. That's remoaner talk.

@Friendsoftheearth

noble It is my understanding that some kind of alliance is going to be on the cards very soon with Switzerland and other nordic countries. The UK will also join the alliance with NZ and Australia etc, and it is my understanding that Biden is also very keen for the US to join. So it could be that Switzerland's problems are easier after brexit, and many of the issues that the heart of the Swiss mirror the same as the UK.

When you actually look behind the froth and clamour of the UK's EU departure, there is a very appealing outline of what the future actually looks like. I can't wait for this to be over now.

Lol!

Once the EU force them to tow the line on the corporate tax front, my expectation is that Ireland will have to leave.

@bellinisurge

"I would be beyond fucking livid if our PM ever treated another country, a close ally in that way, "

Ireland doesn't count then? Classic

Yerra sure if this whole thing has taught us anything it's that there's a certain kind of British person out there (definitely a minority, before someone says Not All British Are Like That) who considers Ireland a naughty colony that really should come back in line, and any concerns over NI are just Ireland stirring shit. Predictable.

Who could possibly have predicted that France would negotiate in their own interests rather than ours. Extraordinary

I think Ireland will leave the EU in less than five years. Maximum five years

Never going to happen. Just shows how little you understand about anything.

Are you too livid at Boris to type about how he shafted Ireland?