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Christmas is cancelled

142 replies

MariaK91 · 04/12/2020 12:23

My husband and I are housed through my partners job on a large estate. My SIL and husband are also housed on the same estate as my husband and SILH work together.

So, H and I have hosted and done all the cooking for my SIL, SILH and FIL for the past two years and paid for the bulk of it too. It's a lot of hard work. Whenever my FIL comes over he brings his little dog over and it attacks my cats and goes to the toilet on the floor, runs all over the furniture and FIL doesn't do so much as lift a finger to control it or clean up after it (or even apologise for the trouble!) so this year we've said he cant bring it. He's refusing to put it in a kennel, or leave it at my SIL house which is 2 minutes drive so SILH/H can easily check on the it while they're out on shift. FIL said he'll leave dog in his van on our driveway all day and then sleep with it in the van overnight, 'so he can drink alcohol' which I think is ridiculous. We have our own boxing day plans and dont really want him blocking us in with is van and coming in and out in the morning for the kitchen and bathroom especially as he's supposed to be staying with SIL. And its not exactly great for a dog to be stuck in a van all day with no light.

We have our own dogs who we've put a lot of effort in to training them to behave and have always respected other people when they have a no dog policy - they're our responsibility so why should anyone else have to put up with them if they don't want to? So we expect the same from FIL. We happily welcome other peoples dogs in to our house on the condition that they behave which 99% of the time they do. I just don't want to be cleaning dog piss off my carpets whilst trying to make christmas happen. SIL is basically fighting FIL's corner to bring the dog and making us feel like we're being difficult.

The obvious answer to the dog problem would be for SIL to host Christmas, which we have politely suggested and said we would still cook. It turns out SIL and SILH 'have to' have Christmas at ours because SILH is rota-ed to work on Christmas day but doesn't want to so we need to have it at ours because if we have it at their house, which is closer to other people who live on the estate, everyone will know he's ducking off his shift and he'll get in to (more) trouble with management. The problem is H is a supervisor and SILH is not, so they have put us in a really awkward position where if we get caught my hub will go down too for knowing he's bunking off. We don't think H should have to take risks with his job because of them, we could lose our house and everything. And worse, they weren't even up front with us about why they insisted we host (again) until we said we'd had enough of the dog. I feel a bit like they've tried to trick us in to being their scapegoats.

I feel like the lot of them are completely out of order and they're making us feel like we're being the difficult ones. H and I want to just say we're having Christmas on our own because it's getting too ridiculous but before we could say anything they messaged to say they had bought Christmas dinner (which will probably be out of date by the 25th?!) so I feel they've done this to blackmail us a bit. Are we being unreasonable at this point to say we've had enough and wont be hosting?

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Fluffycloudland77 · 04/12/2020 14:52

Just don’t host, it’s a load of hassle and they don’t sound the sorts who appreciate it anyway.

BuggerationFlavouredCrisps · 04/12/2020 14:53

Wow, they’re seriously cheeky feckers.

Firstly, the dog situation is beyond rude. The dog would have been put outside the first time he wee’d indoors although I’d never allow other people to bring their dogs anyway as we have two cats (plus our own dog).

To tell you that they’ve bought the food for you to cook as if that’s a huge gift?? That’s is seriously cheeky fecker territory.

I can’t believe that you’ve put up with them for Christmas for more than one year. You deserve a medal!

Tell them the day before you’ve got Covid symptoms and you’re self isolating until you can get tested. Afterwards, tell them you feel much better and realised it was just an upset stomach. Grin

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 04/12/2020 15:04

Tell fil to get a crate for the dog, then it can be in the house but contained.

diddl · 04/12/2020 15:13

Do they usually have all/most of the food in by now?

Even if they do, you don't have to cook it.

Get your own & have your own Christmas!

Does FIL also live on the estate?

TheRealHousewife · 04/12/2020 15:22

Have yourselves a Merry Little Christmas at yours and let SIL sort her own arrangements. After the year we have all had the last thing anyone needs is trouble & strife ❤️

OnTheBenchOfDoom · 04/12/2020 15:35

Stop worrying about any fallout that may happen. Why should you have your Christmas ruined again for these selfish people? There isn't just one reason of the dog which would be enough for me, but the whole work fiasco, van sleeping crap is all just to make you feel bad.

Screw them, have a really lovely family Christmas dinner. We spend Christmas with both our families, luckily they live close to each other and due to bubbles we are within the 3 household rule. There is never this sort of drama, just a lovely day spent with families.

Makeuplover · 04/12/2020 15:38

Who’s SILH?

Nicolastuffedone · 04/12/2020 15:40

SiL husband

switswooo · 04/12/2020 15:41

I think SILH is OP's husband's sister's husband, but not sure.

AhoyMeFarties · 04/12/2020 15:46

I think you are right @MariaK91, your BIL & SIL could use it against you
You do need to report it so it doesn't come back on you
I'd probably tell them what I intended to do so they had a chance to rethink

ssd · 04/12/2020 15:53

I'd be getting a cough round about the 23rd that you feel is a cold but you don't want to take a chance mixing with folks for a few days

Branleuse · 04/12/2020 15:55

could the dog be crated while there?

gamerchick · 04/12/2020 15:56

[quote MariaK91]Thank you so much everyone for your replies. It is encouraging to know other peoples opinions are aligning with our own. It has made me feel a lot more confident about handling the situation! Though I'm still scared of the inevitable drama that is going to come out of us ditching Christmas!

NoParticularPattern · 04/12/2020 15:59

You haven’t ditched Christmas, they have by being absolute knobs about it. Have your Christmas just you lot and tell them you hope they’ve a freezer big enough for the leftovers! You don’t have to do as they say just because they’ll cause drama- it won’t be drama if you don’t engage with it, it will just be them venting their spleen to someone who doesn’t care.

randomer · 04/12/2020 16:04

Its not about a dog is it?

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 04/12/2020 16:05

Knobs.

TheCrowsHaveEyes · 04/12/2020 16:06

Tbh I don't see how work could hold your DH responsible for someone else bunking off shift. He's not BIL's keeper. Your DH could text back saying if we see you at Christmas, I'll assume you've got your shift changed - otherwise you can't come.

As for all the drama with the dog and FIL ... I'm a bit unsure why it's become an issue this year. Most families are complaining about not being able to see their families for Christmas but this is the year you've picked to put your foot down. It's odd timing. It doesn't mean you have to host them. You don't. You don't even have to see them. But I just wonder if the dog issue is actually an excuse to cover for the work issue or if there are other underlying reasons that have come to a head this year?

KaptainKaveman · 04/12/2020 16:12

Some people are so selfish! OP YANBU at all. Have a quiet one this year, SIL can manage the drama herself for once!

FlouncingBabooshka · 04/12/2020 16:21

I haven’t had the chance to RTFT but OP please tell them you are having Christmas just the two of you. Ignoring all the other nonsense you SIL’sH is a fool to think he can get away with bunking off a shift on Christmas Day. It’s will be so obvious and if you all live on site it could be revealed so easily. Your DH would be a fool also to even contemplate risking his own job and your home by going all with this plan.

Just tell them no - and stick to it, please.

MariaK91 · 04/12/2020 16:24

@Branleuse

could the dog be crated while there?
It's a good idea in theory. If the dog would just chill out in his crate then it'd be fine but it just howls, barks, whines, soils the crate etc and then that's all you can hear all day and there's no getting away from it and FIL just turns off his hearing aid and plies the dog with treats and reinforces the behaviour. You'd have to witness to believe what it's like. We just cant trust him. He would let the dog out and not tell anyone and just watch it destroy things, try to eat my cats and terrorize my rabbits. He really doesn't respect our home at all and it's so stressful. It happens every time he comes over and we're just fed up. It was surprising when he got the dog in the first place tbh. He picked a jack russ puppy. His decision of course but our advice would have been to pick an older, calmer dog that matches his lifestyle better. He's evidently not made any effort to train it himself and not taken it to any dog trainer. And we love our animals and dont think it's fair that they have to be subjected to it. How would we explain that to them if they could talk, 'sorry everyone but the dog that tries to kill you every time its here is coming over, suck it up!'
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ShortSilentNight · 04/12/2020 16:27

YANBU and they sound awful.

Buying the dinner 3.5 weeks early without checking is laughably weird and manipulative (if they’ve truly done it). As for the pissing dog — no, ugh

PragmaticPrinciple · 04/12/2020 16:27

I think you are being difficult about the van.

100% YANBU to not have the dog in the house. But after that, if FIL chooses to shut himself and dog in the van overnight, it's none of your business or problem. I'm sure you can park in a way that doesn't stop you going out on Boxing Day.

Difficult to be put in a compromising position wrt SILDH job. But again, not really your business. But I think fair enough to say you don't want to be implicated in any dishonesty wrt work .

It doesn't sound as if you want to do Christmas with them, anyway, so yes, cancel you having them over. But expect there to be ructions!

lockdownalli · 04/12/2020 16:28

Though I'm still scared of the inevitable drama that is going to come out of us ditching Christmas!

Seriously? Just don't engage with the drama. What are you scared of? ILS get upset? so what?

If you really cannot just say No and mean it, then I agree with PP, you will have to both develop the "strategic cough" on Christmas Eve, they can sort themselves out and you and DH can have a lovely family Christmas with your phones turned off .

ShortSilentNight · 04/12/2020 16:31

As for all the drama with the dog and FIL ... I'm a bit unsure why it's become an issue this year.

Just a guess, but maybe because this year has been incredibly fucking stressful already. People do not have the spare energy they might normally have for dealing with knobbish relatives.

TillyTopper · 04/12/2020 16:36

It sounds like you need Xmas with just you and your DH. Let the others fend for themselves!