AIBU to ask if anyone here still thinks Brexit is a good idea?

[Sundiamond]

There was a time when the board was alive with argument around Brexit.

Does anyone still believe that Brexit is a good move and we, as a country, will gain more than we will lose?

My Brexiteer work colleagues, still support brexit and 'don't need to talk about it 'cos they won'

Why don't you all talk about it though? I surprised you don't all talk constantly about how much better things are now, all the absolute tangible benefits you must be enjoying. Personally, I can't think of a single one but I'm sure you can think of loads of way your life will be better.

Remain voters often talk about how shit it is and all the things you've taken from us. Your complete disregard for the peace in Ireland is a particular bug bear of mine.

@Newrumpus

One of the best things is that millions of people who were, for decades, effectively disenfranchised have become politically active. Whether or not you agree with their views, it’s clearly good for democracy to have as wide a participation as possible.

No. For democracy to function properly there are rights AND responsibilities. People must feel some responsibility for the effects of their decisions. It also requires a populace with sufficient knowledge of how the policitical system, trade and economics function and the critical thinking skills to enable them to make rational choices in the best interests of both their own families and society as a whole. These are pre-conditions for functioning democracy.

Greater engagement without any sense of civic duty regarding the impact on wider society, with a Dominic Cummings style "burn it all down" attitude, without a proper understanding of the consequences of the decisions made or a willingness to reflect on them, accept mistakes, or change your mind in the face of mounting evidence that conflicts with your view, is not something for any of us to celebrate.

YouGov polls were showing very different results a couple of years ago, so I don’t think it’s as straightforward as Brexiters simply not filling them in, though agree that polls are blunt instruments, as we have learned to our cost.

Agree with every word polkadot said.

@RealBecca

I think leaving EU will give third countries like Africa a better opportunity for trade with UK.

Good lord.

Africa is a CONTINENT. And is miles away. And ‘third world’ probably means it doesn’t have a huge economy.
What advantage is that to us?

I despair with these ludicrous reasons for voting Brexit

@KenDodd did that PP vote Bexit or did their colleagues? That might explain the lack of conversation..?

I think she was talking about her colleagues. You'd think they'd be talking delightedly as each great new benefit was delivered.

The ones that I know (family) do! I had to stop biting my tongue before I hit it clean off

My aunt voted Leave because she hates human rights.

Fair enough - one must vote in one's interests, after all.

Whether it is good or bad in the long term I think it should have been postponed until the Covid crisis eased. Nothing is the same as it was a year ago. Businesses and industries that were prospering no longer are so adding into the mix another huge change seems dangerous.

@Tumbleweed101

Whether it is good or bad in the long term I think it should have been postponed until the Covid crisis eased. Nothing is the same as it was a year ago. Businesses and industries that were prospering no longer are so adding into the mix another huge change seems dangerous.

But we actually LEFT the EU before the Covid Crisis happened! Do you have a handy time machine we can use?

@FarTooSkinny

I voted remain but given that the government has done such a fantastic job of Brexit I am now a committed leaver. I will be rolling out the bunting on 1st January as we finally break free from the shackles of the EU.

nice one

@TheSandman we had the option to extend the transition period (so that everything stays the same as it had when the UK was part of the EU) in June and our Government (in their infinite wisdom) decided not to do so. Covid has already hit, scientific consensus was that there would be a second wave in winter, and we'd already entered the worst recession in 300 years. Yet they decided to cause trade disruption, problems importing food and medicine, and further economic harm (which btw their own forecasts show will be worse than the cost of dealing with Coronavirus) at this time of national crisis.

Ask yourself why you think they did that?

Cui bono?

Anyone who hasn't worked it out by now is a bit thick.

@Sometimeswinning

The mentality of those that think Brexit will still be fine and the rest is just remainer/eu lies are the sort of people who, in the US, think Biden won by mass voter

Yes. It was all straight down the line! I dont like Trump fyi. Stop being silly though.

Do you know what the phrase the sort of people means?

What do you think it means? Per the post it means the people who voted in that way. Do you think it means something else?

[quote PolkadotGiraffe]**@TheSandman* we had the option to extend the transition period (so that everything stays the same as it had when the UK was part of the EU) in June and our Government (in their infinite wisdom) decided not to do so. Covid has already hit, scientific consensus was that there would be a second wave in winter, and we'd already entered the worst recession in 300 years. Yet they decided to cause trade disruption, problems importing food and medicine, and further economic harm (which btw their own forecasts* show will be worse than the cost of dealing with Coronavirus) at this time of national crisis.

Ask yourself why you think they did that?

Cui bono?

Anyone who hasn't worked it out by now is a bit thick.[/quote]
Ah, "extend the transition period" is not quite the same as "postpone" but I get what you mean now. Yes. They should have. But too greedy and short-sighted to do anything like that. They want a return for all their hard work screwing it up for the rest of us. And they want it NOW!

It means of a similar mentality. As opposed to saying e.g "the exact same people".

i.e people who disagree with me on an issue are doing so for undermining reasons/fraudulent reasons/insert other reasons.

@tobee

It means of a similar mentality. As opposed to saying e.g "the exact same people".

i.e people who disagree with me on an issue are doing so for undermining reasons/fraudulent reasons/insert other reasons.

Yes. Gullible, dillusional people, in this case.

@TheSandman the entire point of extending the transition period was to postpone the "real" exit where rules and regulations and customs duties and border checks and equivalence and mutual recognition of standards and qualifications etc etc would change. I'm nit sure how you could be confused and think extending the transition and postponing the point at which it ends were different things when they are so obviously one and the same.

PolkadotGiraffe I believe TheSandman is also anti disaster capitalists. Maybe save your ire for those who blithely say "its all going to be fine"

Well leave voters can own Brexit now and I will never stop reminding them this is all on them. As a poster up thread said they voted repeatedly in election after election for parties that would push Brexit through. They have said constantly they knew what they voted for, I believe them, they did know what they voted for (unless monumentally stupid) it became very clear post 2016. They even stood and watched the birth of the new IRA and the killing of Lyra Mckee, they knew that Brexit could reignite the troubles, it made no difference to them whatsoever.

They can own all of it.

It is possible to have voted for Brexit and regret it. Which I hope 17.4 million people do. No-one expected the vote to be for Brexit, even Nigel Farage thought it would be a narrow win for Remain.

But as the poster up thread said, they have voted repeatedly at every election since for parties that would push through Brexit. I don't see many with regrets and I'm sure if the vote was run again they would vote the same way despite how much better informed everyone is now about the consequences. This isn't to say they would win again though because of death of Leave voters v coming of age of remain voters.

@ReturntoSpamfritters

PolkadotGiraffe I believe TheSandman is also anti disaster capitalists. Maybe save your ire for those who blithely say "its all going to be fine"

Apologies @TheSandman if I misunderstood your posts.

I didn't know there was a flag/anthem

ArabellaScott - how can you possibly have not known there was a flag?
They are ubiquitous all over the EU, on pro EU marches etc.
If you really don’t know there was a flag then you’re not in a position to call leavers ignorant.