AIBU to ask if anyone here still thinks Brexit is a good idea?

[Sundiamond]

There was a time when the board was alive with argument around Brexit.

Does anyone still believe that Brexit is a good move and we, as a country, will gain more than we will lose?

@mummmy2017

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/bbcs-bias-brexit-has-proven-beyond-doubt-move-tim-davie/

Well there is the slight problem nothing has been agreed, and my Crystal Ball is in storage.

Ah, quoting from the not-at-all biased Torygraph. Lol.

The problem with the remain campaign was that they over estimated the intelligence of the British voter. They tried to fight feelings with facts.

To Leave voters, have you seen the youtube clips of both Aaron Banks and Demonic Cummings basically calling Leave voters think and that they didn't have a clue what they were voting for so that's why they left the facts alone and went for the feelings?

@cantdothisnow1

But maybe Boris will pull something out of the bag in typical 'Boris saves Christmas style'.

We can only hope.

Certainly not thanking him for his role in getting us in this position in the first place whatever the outcome.

Spaffer has most likely been paid to "Get Brexshit Done" and will happily plunge the country into chaos in return for his thirty pieces of silver and then resign. Adorable.

A pp was talking about who to blame for all this. I blame media and politicians over the past 45 years. They reported and portrayed the EU constantly in a negative way. I also blame David Cameron for running away after the referendum

But looking on the bright side, didn't Fromage say he was going to leave the UK if Brexshit was a disaster? That's in the bag, then. Hooray.

Except, Brexit strips him of his rights as an EU citizen to FOM so we might be stuck with him.

You might as well sign this if you haven't already. If you don't laugh you'll cry.

www.change.org/p/kent-county-council-kent-lorry-park-to-be-named-after-nigel-farage?recruiter=76729793&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial&recruited_by_id=687056c9-d74c-412d-b79e-0f4ee02c4274&utm_content=fht-25277906-en-gb%3A2

Listening to well spoken finance guy this morning on R4 I am now feeling more concerned about finance sector problems.

Ew, no! Hopefully he'll buy an EU passport from Cyprus/Malta. With his Brexshit Party Ltd. profits. Or the millions he made from shorting the £ on the night of the referendum.
He promised...

@mummmy2017

Do you know why we voted like this? Because the deal we made was for trade and trade only. Slowly over 40 years the EU instituted a power grab, rules we as the general public were never allowed to vote on were introduced. UKIP forced DC's hand , he bit and ran with it because he was so sure he understood the views of the UK. So when you offer 17 Million plus people a vote on something they never expected, can you be surprised their view is vote out and let's deal with what happens after we leave.

And what some of us attempted to tell you before the referendum still stands. How much power do you think the EU holds over our government currently? Many of us share similar views on what’s wrong with this country. Other EU countries solve those problems in ways our government chooses not to. The choice is there in or out of the EU.

What kind of a power grab us or to remove citizenship rights of 48% of the population at the time against their will? There were other choices for Brexit, other compromises. How can you not see that the form of Brexit that has been embarked upon is a worse power grab? What do you make of the obvious corruption of contracts sold to family and friends following Johnson’s coup? And what is to come? Selling the land itself from under our feet to foreign ‘investors’?

As for dealing with it after we leave, do you even know what ‘we’have to deal with yet? How will you ‘deal’ with it? How much power do ‘we’ have in Britain to stop the corruption? How much power will any of us have going forward in our own country as it is sold on? How much power, leverage and options will the nation have outside of a major trading bloc?

This is precisely what’s going to happen.

No deal, very little corporate legislation, huge cost of living, 99% privatised public services. That’s the end game, and always was.
You get what you vote for.

I blame the fuckwits who voted leave.

I’ll just repeat, this is what many of us told you would happen at the time before the referendum: the only information I remember as not being available was the impact on GFA. You were told. You dismissed it as expert’s lies and project fear. Do not try to get out of this.

@cotoneaster1

I blame the fuckwits who voted leave.

I love these threads

@KenDodd I entirely agree with you. Trying to fight "feelings" with facts is putting yourself on a hiding to nothing.

It's the same with conspiracy theorists. You cannot use facts to defeat feelings.

It's sad and hard to accept from those of us who rely on facts to make our decisions, but it's true.

So people who "feel" Europe makes the decisions and we just go a long with I it, just will not accept the truth, that we are part of the decision making process. A quick look at your P60 would tell you that we wouldn't save 3million plus to plough into the nhs.q..

In the same way, you cannot argue with someone who "feels" that five g caused covid, cannot be persuaded by the fact that the two things happened at approximately the same time, but this does not amount to cause and effect.

Trying to fight "feelings" with facts is a mugs game.

Instead, we have to analyse the false logic used, and question that.

So when you offer 17 Million plus people a vote on something they never expected, can you be surprised their view is vote out and let's deal with what happens after we leave

Very perceptive of you Mummmy we wouldn't normally agree but you're spot on, however, is this the best way to govern a country?

I know 90% here hate it, but MN really can't be accepted as the font of knowledge it's bias is so far from the voting general public.
If you only hear people who say thing you want to hear no wonder your all still so upset when real life differs so drastically.

mummmy
Are you looking forward to being under the control of the WTO from January?

For what it's worth I think Johnson will get a paper thin deal. It'll be shit and way, way worse on every level than what we had before but will be hailed as a great success.

Yes, because the WTO is used until you sign a deal , so it a safety net, not an end.

Lol at the idea that someone who votes with her emotions, not caring about the aftermath, should be lecturing others about ‘real life’.

mummmy
Yes, because the WTO is used until you sign a deal , so it a safety net, not an end.
well its taken 4 1/2 years so far to not get a deal
so the UK is likely to be under WTO terms for quite a while ......

I sat in a team meeting today and cried when I came off. 31 days and most of our sales are to EU and no one had a clue what we are doing.

As a soi-disant fuckwit, I have little energy left mid-covid to pick away at the shambles that is Johnson's Brexit. I have no idea what the future will look like but I do know that worrying about it is pointless.

@mummmy2017

Yes, because the WTO is used until you sign a deal , so it a safety net, not an end.

Hahaaaa brilliant. And what deal will be signed that will be more beneficial than the one we had as EU members? Clearly you have some information that isn't in the public domain so please enlighten us!