AIBU to ask if anyone here still thinks Brexit is a good idea?

[Sundiamond]

There was a time when the board was alive with argument around Brexit.

Does anyone still believe that Brexit is a good move and we, as a country, will gain more than we will lose?

@lifestooshort123

As a soi-disant fuckwit, I have little energy left mid-covid to pick away at the shambles that is Johnson's Brexit. I have no idea what the future will look like but I do know that worrying about it is pointless.

The Bank of England states that the overall impact of Brexit will be worse than that of Covid for the UK. So yeah, we need to worry about it.

@Pepperwort

I’ll just repeat, this is what many of us told you would happen at the time before the referendum: the only information I remember as not being available was the impact on GFA. You were told. You dismissed it as expert’s lies and project fear. Do not try to get out of this.

That information was available too. The problem was that, like the economic and social impact, Leavers didn't care.

@MollysMummy2010

I sat in a team meeting today and cried when I came off. 31 days and most of our sales are to EU and no one had a clue what we are doing.

That is the big present issue, isn't it? What are companies doing? What are they meabt to do? As the final answer about deal or no deal is not sorted YET, they face a world of uncertainty. And it seems to me that they are just playing along, and waiting. Not that they can do much more without spending money. I think they should give the role to Noel Edmonds, and put the deal documents in a red box! Boris does need to stop the game, and actually say whether he is signing or not.

@MushMonster the joke is that the "implementation period" that we are just about to finish was meant for precisely that; to allow companies and people time to adjust and prepare for whatever changes were agreed. But because we have such incompetent misfits in charge the implementation period will end before implementation can even begin! We have never had a worse Government.

[quote ListeningQuietly]This page is depressing
www.gov.uk/transition[/quote]
I got a letter saying I need to be 'ready'. Addressed using a name I've not used in about ten years. No idea where the govt got it from - it wasn't a name I ever held a business in. And it's not linked to this address. Either creepy, or (more likely) just unbelievably incompetent.

You are right! It is not much Brexit per se. People want to leave the EU, ok, not my top thing to do, but there are other countries in Europe outside the EU. We could have something similar. We could stay in the single market maybe?
But no, we have..... well not sure yet.
It is the way they are just leaving it all to the last second, over and over. No plan that we have been told of.

A lot of creative, entrepreneurial, once profitable British businesses are starting to post on their websites,

"Brexit: we have no idea what will happen after 31st December 2020" .

It's bloody shameful.

I just watched a BBC news report on how the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (which paid farmers for the amount of land they farmed) is being replaced by a scheme where farmers will be encouraged to manage any extra land in a way that is best for the environment and wildlife. They interviewed a farmer from Devon who seemed to be fully on board with it and has already created a wetland area that wouldn’t have been financially viable under EU policies. Happy days!

If I get a letter, I am burning it!
I get the rage everytime I see the ads in the TV or they arein the radio. Again....
I think they are the very same ones that we had in 2019 and all.....

@Dongdingdong

I just watched a BBC news report on how the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (which paid farmers for the amount of land they farmed) is being replaced by a scheme where farmers will be encouraged to manage any extra land in a way that is best for the environment and wildlife. They interviewed a farmer from Devon who seemed to be fully on board with it and has already created a wetland area that wouldn’t have been financially viable under EU policies. Happy days!

Enjoy eating wetland for your dinner.

@Dongdingdong

I just watched a BBC news report on how the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (which paid farmers for the amount of land they farmed) is being replaced by a scheme where farmers will be encouraged to manage any extra land in a way that is best for the environment and wildlife. They interviewed a farmer from Devon who seemed to be fully on board with it and has already created a wetland area that wouldn’t have been financially viable under EU policies. Happy days!

Yes, I read that. A really odd article, using quite loaded language - some of it manifestly inaccurate. The new scheme sounded promising, but I see it has already been criticised by environmental groups, and already apparently compromised by the NFU.

Not enough detail, all too vague, seemed to be the general gist.

The new scheme sounded promising, but I see it has already been criticised by environmental groups

I’m not sure what anyone who truly cares about the environment could possibly have against this scheme. It sounded very positive!

Enjoy eating wetland for your dinner.

You clearly didn’t watch the report or read my post properly - and by the sounds of it you don’t give a toss about the environment either!

@Dongdingdong

I just watched a BBC news report on how the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (which paid farmers for the amount of land they farmed) is being replaced by a scheme where farmers will be encouraged to manage any extra land in a way that is best for the environment and wildlife. They interviewed a farmer from Devon who seemed to be fully on board with it and has already created a wetland area that wouldn’t have been financially viable under EU policies. Happy days!

I am a farm girl. About this, farms do have areas that are not farmed indeed. Either taken with forest, lakes, river sides and so. That you do get paid for the area that you actually farm does not make it mandatory for you to take any of that extra land for farming, by cutting the trees for example. So great if this farmer is now getting paid to keep part of his land as a wetland. But nobody was forcing him not to before? But it really should be: money for the farmed area- agriculture. Money for the environmental preservation area- environmental. Two different departments here?

In our farms, nobody paid you a penny for the forest parts of it. We got chestnuts, and wood for the burners in winter. And had to keep it relatively free of brambles so you actually could get there. That was it. It was though the most enjoyable bit. We had a field with pine trees, so usedto go around this time and cut a Christmas tree.

And I loved picking chestnuts. And trying to spot some wildlife when we did go.

Here’s the report in case anyone is interested:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55102891

All in all it sounds very positive.

The new system, named Environmental Land Management (ELM), will pay farmers if they prevent floods, plant woods and help wildlife.

Planting woods and helping wildlife - sounds appalling.

I have read it now. If they have indeed taken too much land for grass and ploughing, then yes they need to restore it back. Specially by rivers indeed.
I suppose it does have to do with more land taken for housing too.
Yet, we will have to pay for it, which is the other side of the coin.
It is always down to the same reasoning for me: nobody was forcing farmers to extend their farmed land. That they were subsidised based on the farmed area did not mean they had to take all or more of the land in their property for the purpose. They would not loose money, they were just making less money.
And they should not back date the area for that farmer, they should have not send him a bill. That is just stupid.

Enjoy eating wetlands for your dinner

Fresh Wild Duck - £20 per Brace !!

Farmers can be pretty shrewd....not a bad thing either.

@MushMonster

If I get a letter, I am burning it! I get the rage everytime I see the ads in the TV or they arein the radio. Again.... I think they are the very same ones that we had in 2019 and all.....

I just went on and checked the website. I got a link at the end to get more info on my circumstances. Clicked the link: 'this area is currently uncertain, please check back st the end of the transition period.'

👍 that's useful to get prepared.

Leavers, whatever about your ifs, buts and maybes about what wonderful things 'might' happen, you cannot deny the planning and implementation of Brexit has been an utter shitshow.

Thank Fuck I am Irish with an Irish passport.

@MushMonster

And I loved picking chestnuts. And trying to spot some wildlife when we did go.

Great. That'll fix everything in January.

@CunnyLingus

Enjoy eating wetlands for your dinner

Fresh Wild Duck - £20 per Brace !!

Farmers can be pretty shrewd....not a bad thing either.

Yum. Love to eat duck. Not sure it's a balanced diet though, you know, without all of the fruit and vegetable we import mostly from the EU.

@Dongdingdong

I just watched a BBC news report on how the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (which paid farmers for the amount of land they farmed) is being replaced by a scheme where farmers will be encouraged to manage any extra land in a way that is best for the environment and wildlife. They interviewed a farmer from Devon who seemed to be fully on board with it and has already created a wetland area that wouldn’t have been financially viable under EU policies. Happy days!

It’s unwise to base your opinion on this matter on one cheerleading BBC report. Read the farming press, listen to Farming Today (many episodes available on BBC Sounds) for a much more balanced and nuanced view. Farmers are (rightly) worried.

@PolkadotGiraffe
The Bank of England states that the overall impact of Brexit will be worse than that of Covid for the UK. So yeah, we need to worry about it.

And where will worrying get you? Unless you can alter the outcome - unlikely, as that shop has sailed.

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