AIBU to ask if anyone here still thinks Brexit is a good idea?

[Sundiamond]

There was a time when the board was alive with argument around Brexit.

Does anyone still believe that Brexit is a good move and we, as a country, will gain more than we will lose?

Since even now with 31 days to go no one knows what is happening that is rather a moot point.

We will not be blaiming anyone.How hard is it to understand, 17 Million grabbed a grabbed a once only chance.Most of us the morning after were OMG the Remainers fucked up on a massive scale, like DC you just never invisioned people turning out in such numbers to leave.We know and don't care about the after mass, we care that we will no longer be tied to the EU

Well, ok let’s see about then, like I said not long to go.

You’re saying if it goes tits up and people can’t eat, it’ll all be fine and everyone will just shrug their shoulders and say that’s life.

I think you’re wrong. They’ll be angry.

One thing today’s posts have made me realise us just how much it wasn’t a vote for anything apart from a “fuck you” to the establishment.

Same distance between USA and Russia, they seem to be ok.
Are there many farms that straddle the US / Russia Border?
How many people cross it every day to go to the shop / the doctor / to work?
And has there been an International Legal agreement stating that there shall be no border controls between Russia and the USA?

One thing today’s posts have made me realise us just how much it wasn’t a vote for anything apart from a “fuck you” to the establishment.

Yes and the sad thing is that the EU had less influence about things in their life than various elected UK governments over the years. Austerity, redistribution of wealth, opportunity, tax, etc are essentially controlled by Westminster and local government. Not the big bad EU.

Then they go and elect the same people who took the types of decisions they were voting against in the first place. I would hazard a guess that those that sit in the European Parliament have more community spirit and socialistic ideals and care more about your average citizen than the likes of Boris, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Patel, etc.

You mentioned distance , your tacting the rest on which is a totally different thing.

Yes this was not a vote about things, this was about emotions, which is why it came as such a shock to the Remainers.

@mummmy2017

Same distance between USA and Russia, they seem to be ok.

Wins the most fatuous observation of the day.

So proud, I would like to thank my teachers, your all so wonderful.

Yes this was not a vote about things, this was about emotions, which is why it came as such a shock to the Remainers.

It's about lives that will be shattered. It will be another Windrush on a massive scale.

I read a book a couple of years ago called "How To Lose A Referendum : The Definitive Story of Why The UK Voted for Brexit" . It's well worth a read. It's by Jason Farrell and Paul Goldsmith.

Too late now .
All your arguments are valid but over 4 years too late.
If Remainers had shown all the information they now have with foresight Brexit may well have never happened but living in the past will gain nothing. We are a month away for finding out.

Yes this was not a vote about things, this was about emotions

I find that so sad.

People have voted for less funding into public services, more inequality, to make themselves and those around them poorer. Not to mention opportunities such as small things like our sons and daughters being able to work or study in Europe for a year or even a summer.

All due to some emotional notion of soverignty and nostalgia about a past that didn't really exist.

Past?
This is about the future
Not being tied to the EU.
Divorcing a partner is allowed you know.

I agree that the Remain campaign was crap and we are going to pay a bitter price for that.

I find it so hard to stomach declarations that people simply don't care about the aftermath, when we have lost so much.

We shouldn’t have been given the vote in the first place

Too late now .All your arguments are valid but over 4 years too late

The arguments were always there mummy. It was dismissed as project fear don’t you remember?

It’s turning out to be project fact isn’t it.

A very good review of the book Arthur mentions is here
cafethinking.com/2018/07/25/how-to-lose-a-referendum-by-jason-farrell-and-paul-goldsmith-book-review/

Not being tied to the EU.
Shackled under the WTO instead.
Splendid

We certainly shouldn't have been given any vote without clear and accurate information. The democratic deficit is appalling.

If Remainers had shown all the information they now have with foresight Brexit may well have never happened but living in the past will gain nothing.

They did though. If you look at the literature from back then everything that is happening now was called 'project fear' back then.

The leave campaign literally lied, at the weekend the Times and Telegraph both published the news that British passport holders won't be able to stay in EU countries for any longer than 3 months before they have to leave. Here's Gove saying during the referendum campaign that that wouldn't happen:

So how come Remain did not front page all these known facts.
Reading past thread non of the posters brought up 90% of these issues till after the vote. DC should have made the case for how great the EU was, he failed you, big style, then ran away....

We shouldn’t have been given the vote in the first place

Quite

Honestly Cameron should be getting far more heat for allowing such an ill thought through vote and running such a shit campaign.

This shitshow is his

DC did indeed fail us. His problem was that, if he highlighted the benefits of EU membership, the terrible problems facing the country in the wake of austerity would be brought back to his front door. It was convenient for him that the country blamed the EU for so much - it went much further than he hoped though.
I hope he never has another night of unbroken sleep. If I could play the bagpipes I would pipe underneath his window every bloody night.

So how come Remain did not front page all these known facts.
I was not aware that the Remain campaign owned the newspapers.

Responsible publications like the Economist and the FT definitely covered it in great detail
but Boris Johnson replied with fuck business
there is NOTHING coming out now that was not mentioned in spring 2016
BUT
in 2016 NOBODY said that the UK would leave on WTO terms.

One thing today’s posts have made me realise us just how much it wasn’t a vote for anything apart from a “fuck you” to the establishment.

Sadly the establishment seems to be quite happy to say, " No. Fuck you!" right back.

The uncomfortable facts were clearly stated by many but dismissed as Project Fear by most of the (Brexit supporting) media, by demagogues such as Farage (ably abetted by the BBC) and by many on social media including this site. Brexiters were shameless in their lies and made so much noise they drowned out the voices of reason, which, because those voices were trying to make reasonable, nuanced and evidence based arguments - which people mostly can’t be bothered to listen to - didn’t stand a chance.

@mummmy2017

So proud, I would like to thank my teachers, your all so wonderful.

*you're

Maybe you didn't listen that carefully after all.