AIBU to ask if anyone here still thinks Brexit is a good idea?

[Sundiamond]

There was a time when the board was alive with argument around Brexit.

Does anyone still believe that Brexit is a good move and we, as a country, will gain more than we will lose?

@PolkadotGiraffe Apologies @TheSandman if I misunderstood your posts.

No problem. We're on the same side.

[quote TheSandman]**@PolkadotGiraffe* Apologies *@TheSandman if I misunderstood your posts.

No problem. We're on the same side.[/quote]
I am just so furious about it all, especially for our young people. Sorry that I got the wrong end of the stick, it was late. 😳😆

The worst part is the complete refusal of Leavers to admit it was a mistake now that the facts are plain and even our Government is admitting that it will be a disaster economically, logistically, socially, etc. I always think the measure of a person's intellect is their willingness to change their view when the available information doesn't fit their views. The dogmatic almost cultlike belief of Brexiteers in things that have been proved to be false is baffling and disturbing. I am just so sorry for all of those who will suffer who didn't vote for this.

Remoaners
Jane Austen was right
All the privilege I claim for my own sex (it is not a very enviable one; you need not covet it), is that of loving longest, when existence or when hope is gone

We know what the right thing is
and we will not give up hope for a while yet

@KenDodd

One thing I've learnt about Leave voters is that absolutely nothing will move them. The scales fell from my eyes on that because of the threat to the peace in NI. If the possibility of restarting a civil war doesn't move them nothing will. I've often thought that if I'd voted Leave I'd be fucking furious with the people who'd sold it to me, that the future we're getting is nothing like the one they painted. As I said, they can own the consequences though.

I agree absolutely. It's shocking.

I've said this before - I said it during the run up to the referendum - the main reason I voted remain is that the EU (like the Common market before it) had SUCCEEDED and was continuing to succeed in doing the job it was set up to do. It was created by men (mostly) who had seen the horrors of the Nazi era (and some the hell of WW1) and set out to make sure that Europe would never go through that again. The main point of the EU was to avert another land war in Europe. It's done that.

The possible closing of the N.I. border is another. Anyone who lived through the Troubles (I didn't live in NI but had friends who did) could see that Brexit was going to open up a BIG can of worms and anyone who thinks the IRA the UDA and all the other factional alphabet soup handed over ALL their weapons is hopelessly naive.

And now I live under a government that grew up reading juvenile war comics as kids, is increasing military spending with the stated aim of being the foremost naval power in Europe, and cutting foreign aid.

Was that worth a made-up £350 million a week fib?

I was the first male in my family line not to have been called up for active or national service for generations. I want my son to be the second.

I’m astonished to be told we just have to accept this. We’ve lost rights and freedoms and prosperity, and the consequences will be borne by our children for a very long time. And we should just shrug and say okay then. Really?
In France the country would have been on the streets over this. We let it happen and just obey.

It’s utter shit, and we will leave without a deal: that’s Johnson’s brief.
As a lifelong Labour voter, it must be said that it was also an exceptional move from Cameron to completely split the Labour Party.

@Dontevenstart

It’s utter shit, and we will leave without a deal: that’s Johnson’s brief. As a lifelong Labour voter, it must be said that it was also an exceptional move from Cameron to completely split the Labour Party.

It was exceptional that Labour didn't get their shit together and stand against this.

There is literally no opposition in the UK, even now. A two party system where both parties agree on national suicide leaves sane people nowhere to turn.

My only comfort is that I think Johnson won’t find it as easy to flog off the NHS under Biden.
But apart from that Project Fear is now Project Reality. I don’t intend to stop remoaning until those who inflicted this on us start taking responsibility for what they have done.

@akerman

I’m astonished to be told we just have to accept this. We’ve lost rights and freedoms and prosperity, and the consequences will be borne by our children for a very long time. And we should just shrug and say okay then. Really? In France the country would have been on the streets over this. We let it happen and just obey.

It's depressing isn't it? And you can bet that in ten or twenty years, the same people who voted for it will be complaining about lack of state services/ pension/ low salaries etc when they caused it and we told that would be the result beforehand. 🙄

*were

@akerman

My only comfort is that I think Johnson won’t find it as easy to flog off the NHS under Biden. But apart from that Project Fear is now Project Reality. I don’t intend to stop remoaning until those who inflicted this on us start taking responsibility for what they have done.

This. They said "it'll be worth it" so I think they should pay for it. They should show themselves and volunteer for the required tax hikes to prevent other people suffering the results of the choice they have imposed on the rest of us.

I thought there were good arguments each way - although I voted remain.

Europe were moving towards becoming a federal state and I think it was only us leaving that put the breaks on. We would have needed to leave at some point, although I don't think we did it at the correct time. I don't think it's cohesive enough to survive if it does.

It (Brexit), with the able assistance of the ham-fisted tone-deaf Tories currently in power, is doing a damn good job of fuelling the break up of the UK too.

Not (I should point out) that I think that is a bad thing.

@underneaththeash

I thought there were good arguments each way - although I voted remain.

Europe were moving towards becoming a federal state and I think it was only us leaving that put the breaks on. We would have needed to leave at some point, although I don't think we did it at the correct time. I don't think it's cohesive enough to survive if it does.

No, they were not.

No, indeed, why should Brexshitters have a monopoly on sovereignty?

@underneaththeash

I thought there were good arguments each way - although I voted remain.

Europe were moving towards becoming a federal state and I think it was only us leaving that put the breaks on. We would have needed to leave at some point, although I don't think we did it at the correct time. I don't think it's cohesive enough to survive if it does.

I think we can see that the Leave side didn't have any actual good arguments though, otherwise we'd be reaping the benefits already. Maybe moving towards being a federal state possibly at some unspecified time in the future? We had a veto, so how was that a problem? We could have put the brakes on at any time. We didn't have to leave.

Brexit is a done deal. Get used to it.

tell us some of the good things we can look forward to then?

That's amusing, seeing as there is no deal, and nobody voted for no deal.

You can tell people to "get used to it" until you're blue in the face but it won't change the fact that it's not our mess to clear up.

Brexit is a done deal

Are you even paying attention? 🙄

@Pyewhacket

Brexit is a done deal. Get used to it.

Thank you, Mr Rees-Mogg. Now please fuck off until you have something intelligent to add to the discussion.

@Pyewhacket

Brexit is a done deal. Get used to it.

What deal??