Doing this to a child is wrong

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BBC report : His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday

This is so wrong to do to a child

It would be fair to say neither of them saw it as a hardship, although I teach at their school, had to isolate too & feel mildly guilty about the cover burden.

It’s not an issue if it’s their free choice.

Do you realise how offensive this can sound when aimed at posters where you have no idea of their health or what covid can actually mean for some people?! I suspect you do but just don't care

Of course I know. And of course I care. I just don’t think it justifies imprisoning kids.

No one on here has said we should imprison teenagers. You know this is the case. You have;t yet fun =d anyone who actually believes that teens should be forced to stay in their room and not allowed out against their will.

Then you haven’t read it, or read it well enough.

No one has agreed to putting masks on babies. On the UK it is over 11s. In some countries it is over 6s. On a few it is over 2s but only in certain places, all places quite easily avoided. No one on any thread I have ever read - which to be fair over the last few weeks have been many due to being bed bound and then convalescing at home - has ever said a mask for a baby is appropriate.

Just because you haven’t seen it, it didn’t happen? I will have to insist on my right to recall things that actually happened, and things people actually said.

After all we all have to die of something don't we?!?!

Well, yes, we do. We don’t get to do anything we like to avoid that. Sorry.

And with that I am out for good; thread being hidden.

Luckily I have people around who care enough to want to protect their more vulnerable family and friends.

And fortunately I work for a supportive school who now allow me to wear a mask in class around the children (who unsurprisingly really aren't bothered by it at all and it is affecting their learning, despite them only being, 4-7 year olds) and are also allowing me to gradually phase myself back into work after being so poorly.

@flaviaritt

* How does this correlate with your attitude in the coat thread that

They need to learn to do as they are told.

There’s nothing wrong with it, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with “because I said so” either.*

Because small children don’t have or need liberty. They just need you to keep them safe and not make them suffer. The only reasonable basis for “because I said so” is that it keeps small people safe when they are too young to have developed their own judgement.

When do you think that 'judgment' develops, exactly? 4yos aren't allowed to decide that they are more comfortable without a coat? Ok, I'd disagree & say she'll learn that she gets a bit chilly

14yos can't be told to isolate & expected to do so?

I'm just interested in when this autonomy kicks in.

@flaviaritt

It would be fair to say neither of them saw it as a hardship, although I teach at their school, had to isolate too & feel mildly guilty about the cover burden.

It’s not an issue if it’s their free choice.

But it wasn't, it was an expectation .

& I was pretty pissed off at not being able to teach y13 because I had a mildly snuffly year 8 daughter. We are all feeling our way here.

When do you think that 'judgment' develops, exactly? 4yos aren't allowed to decide that they are more comfortable without a coat? Ok, I'd disagree & say she'll learn that she gets a bit chilly

It’s developing all the time. My own child knows when she’s cold, so I wouldn’t force her into the coat. But what I do tell her to do, I tell her because it’s important and she is expected to do it. Because she’s four. But my first responsibility - and everything I do - is for her welfare and wellbeing. So there is nothing about anything I ask her to do that needs to concern anyone.

14yos can't be told to isolate & expected to do so?

But (unlike a 4 year old) a 14 year old does have views, opinions and needs beyond just being kept safe and happy day-to-day. They are conscious of their need for freedom. They are conscious of their right to autonomy, even if that right isn’t fully developed yet because they are still under our care. And as parents it is our job not to abuse our authority over them (although we do still have authority).

But it wasn't, it was an expectation

Was it something they had to do, or something they were allowed to refuse to do?

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Since we are kerping on the house stuff. Brand alley. Yay or scam?

Brand alley is brilliant. Beware you have to pay postage to return items so no good for a rug that you’re not 100% sure about. Or jeans that you’re hoping to fit into...and then don’t😫

Oof. I wouldn't want to have to pay for returning a rug.

I wouldn't pay for a rug at all. I have a messy husband (he actually cleans well, just not that rug we had!) and a messy pet and i am NOT cleaning that again😂

Thank you. They have some too good to be true offers🤔

@flaviaritt

But it wasn't, it was an expectation

Was it something they had to do, or something they were allowed to refuse to do?

School policy. Kid with symptoms = whole family off until child has negative test. Symptomatic child confined happily to bedroom. Siblings & I did our various teaching & learning from bedrooms also - private school & we are pretty shit hot on online stuff.

Thanks @CorvusPurpureus for the info re ME. In my head I always imagine just doing it briefly and saving loads of money.

Dh is in boarding and theres never any boarding roles in UAE etc, just a million in China.

My brother was looking at china @Timshortforthalia. Not from UK though.
Lucky they didn't go👀

@Timshortforthalia

Thanks *@CorvusPurpureus* for the info re ME. In my head I always imagine just doing it briefly and saving loads of money.

Dh is in boarding and theres never any boarding roles in UAE etc, just a million in China.

Antonia Forest reference in user name? Just tell me you're an English specialist available from September & we'll rip your bloody arm off .

School policy. Kid with symptoms = whole family off until child has negative test. Symptomatic child confined happily to bedroom.

I wasn’t asking about the self-isolation at home. That’s law. I was asking about confinement in the bedroom. Your child was happy. That’s wonderful. But when you say it was an “expectation”, that’s unnecessarily vague. Could they have said no, or not?

Why is everybody making out that this girl was forced into solitary confinement? Ive read the article.... it's simply a man saying his 14 yr old DD isolated in her bedroom for 4 days as she had symptoms..... why is everyone going mad? She was probably happy to do so knowing that she wont pass it on to her family...people are making out that she was screaming and banging on the door to let her out, i bet she was on facetime laughing with her friends...

It's fine to imprison kids over night according to one poster but by daytime the death of their parent is a sacrifice worth making for the sake of wandering around the house a bit. If their parent died its fine we all have to die of something right, the kid will be fine with that. It would be much more traumatising to hang around in their bedroom for a few days. Staying in your room for a few days is the same as solitary confinement for a year.

Get it straight though overnight imprisonmment is fine.

I have to say I thought the same but then thought back to 14 year old me and I’d have loved it and that was before phones and internet!!

@flaviaritt

School policy. Kid with symptoms = whole family off until child has negative test. Symptomatic child confined happily to bedroom.

I wasn’t asking about the self-isolation at home. That’s law. I was asking about confinement in the bedroom. Your child was happy. That’s wonderful. But when you say it was an “expectation”, that’s unnecessarily vague. Could they have said no, or not?

Well yes, of course they could. But they've been brought up sensibly.

We are moving soon, so she made good use of the time sensibly packing, did her online learning, chatted to friends. Test (negative) took 3 days, & should have been same day but they're a bit flooded. As we were ALL isolating due to school policy we had a family zoom going, watched movies etc. She was delighted to get the all clear before footy practice that week, but otherwise it was fine.

@Duemarch2021

Why is everybody making out that this girl was forced into solitary confinement? Ive read the article.... it's simply a man saying his 14 yr old DD isolated in her bedroom for 4 days as she had symptoms..... why is everyone going mad? She was probably happy to do so knowing that she wont pass it on to her family...people are making out that she was screaming and banging on the door to let her out, i bet she was on facetime laughing with her friends...

Literally one person is making that out. One.

Well yes, of course they could. But they've been brought up sensibly.

Right. So you agree with me. Good.

OP, what are you talking about?

Get it straight though overnight imprisonmment is fine

It is fine to limit a young person’s freedom for their own safety. Not to remove it altogether. One is good parenting. The other isn’t.