Doing this to a child is wrong

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BBC report : His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday

This is so wrong to do to a child

@Timshortforthalia

So. What's everyone's plans for Saturday night looking like?

I'm going to watch Spiderman Into Spiderverse which is now on Netflix.

I am thinking of writing short creepypasta about inprisoned infected child. 😁 It's confined to it's room, but it appears it's not alone👀 Is it an evil entity or just a hallucination from fever?

Netflix keeps churning out so much stuff it's starting to really suffer on quality lately

corythatwas

So you recognise you had no right to actually enforce your ‘rules’ at all? On any of them? And therefore you agree with me.

People on this thread, get a grip. It’s obscene to lock up a child like this.

Who's been locked up?

Well I suppose theoretically I couldn't make my 6ft+ strapping great teens do anything. But I'm their mum, they listen to me even if they eyeroll and shrug frequently. I'm pretty sure that if I told them to stay in their rooms (and be waited on hand, foot and finger) or risk killing me (vulnerable) or their dad (over 60) they would happily oblige.

If they didn't they'd have to go and stay somewhere else.

< Googles creepypasta >

@flaviaritt

IF the child was shut in her room, threatened with punishment if she emerged, left totally isolated by her family who didn't ever speak to her or bother to check if she was OK or indeed was developing Covid signs, sure, it would be wrong.

It’s wrong anyway. Not just if they don’t check on her.

And I am discussing this because others are discussing it with me.

Sure. But this is of course yet more deliberate misreading on your part.

So, OK, IF the child was shut in her room, threatened with punishment if she emerged and left totally isolated by her family who didn't ever bother to speak to her, it would be wrong. But there is literally nothing in the reports that suggests that that is what happened, so why are you banging on about a totally hypothetical event that didn't happen when no-one is disagreeing that that hypothetical event would be wrong?

IF the child was shut in her room, threatened with punishment if she emerged and left totally isolated by her family who didn't ever bother to speak to her, it would be wrong.

There is no misreading. I accept that that information isn’t in the OP and I used the word IF. I have now done so approximately thirty times. It is you who is struggling to read it, if you haven’t noticed that.

I'm pretty sure that if I told them to stay in their rooms (and be waited on hand, foot and finger) or risk killing me (vulnerable) or their dad (over 60) they would happily oblige.

They sound lovely. It doesn’t change the fact that making someone stay in their room based on the threat of kicking them out isn’t appropriate.

Stop being so disingenuous, for the love of god. If someone is too ill to get out of bed, you don’t need a rule to stop them leaving the house.

You are the one being disingenuous, @flaviaritt. House rules in a house with teenagers are rules agreed by everyone, because there is no way you can force a teenager to accept a rule they don't agree with short of physically locking them in or using actual violence, which I sincerely hope you are not suggesting. So your whole premise about the wicked evil house rules falsely imprisoning teenagers is nonsense.

@flaviaritt

Where does the report say she couldn't exercise?

True. I’m sure she had a little gym set up up there.

Why would you need a gym to exercise?

I know now what a creepypasta is. Thank you @SchrodingersImmigrant.

I'm too scared to actually read one tho

Why would you need a gym to exercise?

You don’t. I am saying it is very likely that, since she probably doesn’t have a gym in her room, she spent the time without exercise. You can disagree with this but for me, confining a person to a small room for days (perhaps repeatedly) is likely to have a negative impact on their ability to stay fit and healthy.

@flaviaritt

Why on earth should anyone else waste their time looking for non-existent evidence to justify your non-argument?

Because they want the evidence? I don’t, you see. I know what it says.

The difference is that we know it's not there, you are the one asserting that it is. Of course you don't have to produce evidence, and of course the rest of us can draw the inevitable interpretation that you are not producing it because you can't.

They sound lovely. It doesn’t change the fact that making someone stay in their room based on the threat of kicking them out isn’t appropriate.

Appropriate doesn't come into it. That would be their choice. I'm not willing to take risks which might kill me even for my children when it could be avoided.

If they were small children then I wouldn't have that choice and nor would they and we would just have to live with that.

House rules in a house with teenagers are rules agreed by everyone, because there is no way you can force a teenager to accept a rule they don't agree with short of physically locking them in or using actual violence, which I sincerely hope you are not suggesting.

Why would I be suggesting violence? Cory has been vague and disingenuous about whether this was an agreement (fine) or a rule she imposed on her kids (not fine) whether they agreed or not. I haven’t been disingenuous about anything at all.

Appropriate doesn't come into it. That would be their choice. I'm not willing to take risks which might kill me even for my children when it could be avoided.

I can see that. I still think it’s an inappropriate thing to do. If you are very vulnerable, get a hotel or stay in your room yourself.

The difference is that we know it's not there, you are the one asserting that it is.

You don’t know it’s not there. Because it is. I’m just not digging through a 20 page, highly repetitive thread, searching out what we have all seen is there. Do it yourself if you want to. Otherwise not.

@Timshortforthalia

I know now what a creepypasta is. Thank you *@SchrodingersImmigrant*.

I'm too scared to actually read one tho

I like to read them before sleep.🙈 They are usually short. There were some absolutely excellent ones in past like The Rake and one which I absolutely enjoyed was Ubloo though that was a long read.

@flaviaritt

IF the child was shut in her room, threatened with punishment if she emerged and left totally isolated by her family who didn't ever bother to speak to her, it would be wrong.

There is no misreading. I accept that that information isn’t in the OP and I used the word IF. I have now done so approximately thirty times. It is you who is struggling to read it, if you haven’t noticed that.

Given that my use of the word "IF" very obviously relates back to your own use of it, it's fascinating that you seek to imply that I haven't read it. What you aren't answering is where you take the argument beyond that. You keep saying "If the child was imprisoned it would be wrong", everyone else keeps saying "Sure, but there is no evidence that she was" and you keep coming back saying "You are ignoring what I said, I said "If the child was imprisoned it would be wrong". What is the point?

You don’t. I am saying it is very likely that, since she probably doesn’t have a gym in her room, she spent the time without exercise. You can disagree with this but for me, confining a person to a small room for days (perhaps repeatedly) is likely to have a negative impact on their ability to stay fit and healthy.

Where does it say the room was small?

Teenagers are actually quite resourceful and there's so many options available now for exercising in their rooms or any room in the house really.

I can see that. I still think it’s an inappropriate thing to do. If you are very vulnerable, get a hotel or stay in your room yourself.

Hahahaha you are funny you seriously think that a teenager would choose the run of the house to do what they want, but have to cook and clean for me as well as themselves rather than stay in their rooms and let me wait on them? Hahahaha

Cygne

The point is that some people are disagreeing that, if this happened, it would be wrong.

@flaviaritt

I'm pretty sure that if I told them to stay in their rooms (and be waited on hand, foot and finger) or risk killing me (vulnerable) or their dad (over 60) they would happily oblige.

They sound lovely. It doesn’t change the fact that making someone stay in their room based on the threat of kicking them out isn’t appropriate.

More misquoting. She didn't say she'd kick them out, she said she would have to arrange for them to stay somewhere else. Sending teenagers off to stay with a relative or friend in order to keep a vulnerable adult safe is not kicking them out.

you seriously think that a teenager would choose the run of the house to do what they want, but have to cook and clean for me as well as themselves rather than stay in their rooms and let me wait on them? Hahahaha

No idea. You just said they don’t have a choice so 🤷🏻‍♀️

She didn't say she'd kick them out, she said she would have to arrange for them to stay somewhere else. Sending teenagers off to stay with a relative or friend in order to keep a vulnerable adult safe is not kicking them out.

But we’re not allowed to do that during lockdown. Or I would agree that was a sensible step.