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The betrayal of a public sector pay freeze

346 replies

Ori3 · 26/11/2020 11:37

Yes, we're facing the biggest economic crisis since peacetime. Yes money has to be found. But as a first measure, why instantly freeze the pay of teachers, police, firefighters, council staff and civil servants; key-workers who have risked so much during the pandemic.

These are the people holed up in a room looking after 30+ kids per day, supporting vulnerable people in social care, helping businesses access the furlough scheme, supplying universal credit, dealing with household emergencies, and tackling an increase in demand for urgent care services.

And their reward for helping to keep the show going? The certainty of a pay freeze for the next however many years and a conciliatory pat-on-the-head as added bonus. It's a joke.

And the awful irony of it all is that these are the sectors that protect most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our society, alongside looking after the nation's kids. They're the ones gluing it all together. Shut the schools and you've got a crisis. Stop social care and you've got a crisis. Get rid of the police force = crisis. Oh and firefighters? Who needs them? Council workers? Well all they do is push pieces of paper around and refuse to answer calls?! Get rid of them too.

In the words of Fight Club's Chuck Palahniuk:

“Remember this. The people you're trying to step on, we're everyone you depend on. We're the people who do your laundry and cook your food and serve your dinner. We make your bed. We guard you while you're asleep. We drive the ambulances. We direct your call. We are cooks and taxi drivers and we know everything about you. We process your insurance claims and credit card charges. We control every part of your life.

We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won't. And we're just learning this fact. So don't fuck with us.”

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Birdsandbeez · 26/11/2020 14:37

@hamstersarse

Your argument holds no weight at all, as you can see from the private vs public wage growth attached here.

I've been expecting this backlash from the public sector, the ones who were quite happy to let businesses go under and people lose their jobs.....and now it has turned to them....different story

Ah, the good old race to the bottom.
BuggerBognor · 26/11/2020 14:45

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Belladonna12 · 26/11/2020 14:51

I think it was very obvious that this was going to happen and considering everything that has happened this year I can't be bothered to get worked up over it. The least it hasn't been caused by a load of bankers as in 2007.

hamstersarse · 26/11/2020 14:54

@Birdsandbeez

Ah, good old suppression of debate

The public sector have infuriated me quite honestly throughout all of this.

Every single part of the public sector tried to close themselves down, stop the services they are paid to provide citing Covid for the reason for everything, mostly tenuously. And frankly, that didn't happen in the private sector, it was quite the opposite - it was "how do we get back to business as quickly as possible?"

notheragain41 · 26/11/2020 14:58

@hamstersarse

Every single part of the public sector

Really, you're going to stand by that are you? The entire work force can be split into just two, one half of which categorically tried to shut its doors whilst the other patriotically fought to the bitter end?

I can reel off hundreds of examples of public and private sector organisations doing the opposite of what you describe but something tells me it isn't worth bothering!

Baaaahhhhh · 26/11/2020 15:00

I'm afraid a lot of those on OP's list are just office workers, mostly wfh, and at no more risk than anyone else.

lostintheday · 26/11/2020 15:06

The fact is the public sector have come through the pandemic a lot better than the private sector. How many people in the public sector have lost their livelihoods or businesses due to the pandemic?

Birdsandbeez · 26/11/2020 15:07

[quote hamstersarse]@Birdsandbeez

Ah, good old suppression of debate

The public sector have infuriated me quite honestly throughout all of this.

Every single part of the public sector tried to close themselves down, stop the services they are paid to provide citing Covid for the reason for everything, mostly tenuously. And frankly, that didn't happen in the private sector, it was quite the opposite - it was "how do we get back to business as quickly as possible?"[/quote]
What is the evidence of this?

Why not try and improve your own pay and conditions instead of bringing everyone down to your level?

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 26/11/2020 15:08

[quote hamstersarse]@Birdsandbeez

Ah, good old suppression of debate

The public sector have infuriated me quite honestly throughout all of this.

Every single part of the public sector tried to close themselves down, stop the services they are paid to provide citing Covid for the reason for everything, mostly tenuously. And frankly, that didn't happen in the private sector, it was quite the opposite - it was "how do we get back to business as quickly as possible?"[/quote]
Every single? Confused NHS, MOD, fire, police, social services, to name a few.

Brainwave89 · 26/11/2020 15:22

I do not know anyone in the private sector who will be getting a pay rise this year. Many of them delivery staff, shop workers and care workers who also worked hard through the recession. Many will also face a significant redundancy risk. Sorry, but if the private sector will not get a risk then the public sector should not either. In recent times public sector wages have increased faster than private sector salaries and the final salary pension schemes mean overall public sector staff are substantially better remunerated than those in the private sector.

Ori3 · 26/11/2020 15:29

@Birdsandbeez

You sound like you know what you're talking about. Every single part of the public sector tried to close themselves down

You may want to put on your tin hat.

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Ori3 · 26/11/2020 15:33

@Baaaahhhhh

Are you for real? Teachers are office workers are they? Firefighters responding to domestic emergencies are office workers? Social workers out on call - where do they work?

So much for checking the list twice...……..

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Birdsandbeez · 26/11/2020 15:33

[quote Ori3]@Birdsandbeez

You sound like you know what you're talking about. Every single part of the public sector tried to close themselves down

You may want to put on your tin hat.[/quote]
Whoa - hold on there.

You are making a quote of a quote, I didn't say that.

Scroll back - the post was by hamsterasrse

hamstersarse · 26/11/2020 15:35

@Birdsandbeez

If you can name me one 'part' of the public sector that did not change the level of service for the worse throughout all of this, I would be surprised.

Standards fell in every area. No services were as they were pre-pandemic. They were not adaptable.

This was not the case in the majority of the private sector - they adapted quickly and carried on providing their services as soon as humanly possible

It is very noticeable.

Birdsandbeez · 26/11/2020 15:38

@Brainwave89

I do not know anyone in the private sector who will be getting a pay rise this year. Many of them delivery staff, shop workers and care workers who also worked hard through the recession. Many will also face a significant redundancy risk. Sorry, but if the private sector will not get a risk then the public sector should not either. In recent times public sector wages have increased faster than private sector salaries and the final salary pension schemes mean overall public sector staff are substantially better remunerated than those in the private sector.
Don't be ridiculous, just because you can't get a wage rise you want everyone to be the same?

If the public sector can negotiate a rise then good look to them.

It's mentality like yours that drives wages down for everyone.

Tanith · 26/11/2020 15:43

Instead of biting chunks out of each other, goaded on by those who want nothing better than divide and rule squabbles, how about we take a long, cool look at those who've made fortunes from the pandemic - and Brexit?

They should contribute some of their ill-gotten gains towards getting the country back on its feet.

Ori3 · 26/11/2020 15:45

@Birdsandbeez - Apologies.

@hamstersarse - ditto to you what I said to @Birdsandbeez upthread!

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user1471505494 · 26/11/2020 15:46

@StarryFire

I think it is particularly unfortunate that some teachers are demanding a pay rise when a large number by all accounts did very little for 6 months of the year.

They’d have been furloughed on reduced wages or made redundant in the private sector, but they have not lost a penny despite being sat at home.

Some of them worked taking care of key workers children and worked through the holidays and half term with NO extra pay why shouldn’t they get some sort of pay rise
Scolha · 26/11/2020 15:47

It’s not a race to the bottom.
The politicians are probably happy we are all arguing about private versus public pay because it distracts from the salaries of the top 1%

CakeRequired · 26/11/2020 15:49

People need to get angry at their politicians. Notice how they haven't been included in the pay cuts? They give themselves decent pay rises, but the police, teachers, doctors, nurses etc? Nope. Not for you guys, only us, the posh toffs who don't actually need or deserve a pay rise as they are too lazy and moronic do their jobs properly.

And yet people get angry at job centre staff, the police, nurses etc for policies that they are forced to go along with by the dipsticks we voted into power. Blame them, not the front line staff.

liveitwell · 26/11/2020 15:56

I used to work for a local council. I can't get on board with feeling sorry for council workers. Most are paid quite well for their skills and expertise level. There's a lot of inexperienced managers.

Teachers, police, firefighters etc, yes I think they should have pay rises, as should a lot of people who don't get paid enough for their role. Private sector included.

GordonsAliveAndEatsPies · 26/11/2020 15:59

Just a point on MP pay rises. They did not give themselves the payrise. It was the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority which is an entirely independent body. In response, (and rightly so) a number of MPs including the PM and leader of the opposition says it shoul;dn't happen. In addition, ministerial payrises have been frozen for 10 years.

VinylDetective · 26/11/2020 16:02

Every single part of the public sector tried to close themselves down, stop the services they are paid to provide citing Covid for the reason for everything, mostly tenuously

Tell that to my stepdaughter who’s pulled 12 hour shifts in ITU in hot, clumsy PPE since March. And come home and cried almost every day. Some people haven’t got a clue.

Birdsandbeez · 26/11/2020 16:11

[quote hamstersarse]@Birdsandbeez

Ah, good old suppression of debate

The public sector have infuriated me quite honestly throughout all of this.

Every single part of the public sector tried to close themselves down, stop the services they are paid to provide citing Covid for the reason for everything, mostly tenuously. And frankly, that didn't happen in the private sector, it was quite the opposite - it was "how do we get back to business as quickly as possible?"[/quote]
When moaning about how poorly the private sector have had it just remember the amount of tax payers money has been thrown at failing private business.

If a private business wants government aid it should give equity in return.

It isn't the tax payers job to bail out private enterprise.

CakeRequired · 26/11/2020 16:11

@GordonsAliveAndEatsPies

Of course they are going to say that to the media, along with the bullshit that they are going to donate it to charity.

Should I remind you these are the same mps who have voted to not allow fsm in the holidays? I don't trust them further than I could throw them, greedy bunch of gits.