To think that Charles and Camila are actually an example of genuine love

[Noddyandbiggerears]

Yes of course I feel sorry for Diana. Yes I think being a royal has a huge impact. But they let young and are now still together and seemingly happy in their 70’s, despite a lot of shunning, negative press, etc.

Camilla had an affair with one married man - who she married and is still with in their 70s

Married 15 years. Hardly a feat

And objectively - Camilla had an affair with one married man

aahh so we're allowed an affair ... if it's with just the one married man 🤔

Look OP... it's obvious you are a great fan of C&C, and not of Diana. But they are a couple who've been married for 15 years off the back of an affair, so I cannot buy into the wonderful genuine devoted love thing you're talking about.
It was a messy beginning, and they're tied to each other forever, that's about all I could say on their marriage.

If Diana had found someone who truly loved her, she might have had fewer affairs. She and Al Fayed might have gone the distance.

It's not uncommon for women whose romantic notions have been torn asunder very rudely to make a series of poor relationship choices.

@BlueThistles calm down! I’m pointing out that Camilla seems to be vilified for her affair with Prince Charles - who she went on to marry.

Diana - who had affairs with several married men seems to escape criticism.

Of course it’s all sort of stuck in a stasis as she sadly died - but I do ponder on what opinion would be if she had lived.

@Russellbrandshair

I’ve always got the impression they were more like friends now. Sure they might have had passion years ago but I don’t see much of it now and Charles could hardly divorce a second time after they broke up his first marriage.

It’s certainly not about looks though because Camilla looks like rod hull

If you're expecting 'passion' once you're both in your 70s then you're in for a lot of disappointment I'm afraid!!!

Fidelity is for the plebs

[quote Noddyandbiggerears]@BlueThistles calm down! I’m pointing out that Camilla seems to be vilified for her affair with Prince Charles - who she went on to marry.

Diana - who had affairs with several married men seems to escape criticism.

Of course it’s all sort of stuck in a stasis as she sadly died - but I do ponder on what opinion would be if she had lived.[/quote]
but you're not doing this ...

you're comparing both women unfairly ...

your bias is clear

take a dim view of 30 year old men who target teenagers for their own ends

It's this 100 percent. That's why I can't stand Charles or Camilla. They knew what they were doing, Dianna was vulnerable, lonely and isolated, she'd been duped, to be a trophy, a breeding machine, and to take the heat off Charles and Camilla. So unpleasant.

I was joking about the CofE... blimey

Blue - where have I unfairly compared them both?

I don’t have a huge “preference” although I do know which if the two I’d rather have a night out with for instance.

Charles, camilla and Diana all did wrong things.

Can we just get rid of the entire royal family please? There are rumours about affairs for most of them (including the top tier!). Prince Andrew ... ugh, the protection afforded to him for such awful deeds.

I wish the UK would do a Sue Townsend on them. Stick them on universal credit, stick them in a normal house and see how they get on. I'm sure Charles and camilla's true love would carry them through!!!

Blue - where have I unfairly compared them both?

Your description of Diana...

The affair with Will Carling was pretty nasty. The alleged malicious phone calls to the house of another married man she had an affair with.
The talking publicly about her and Charles’ sex life

Your description of Camilla...

And objectively - Camilla had an affair with one married man - who she married and is still with in their 70s.

you see the venom in your wording about Diana but not Camilla

@Roussette

Camilla had an affair with one married man - who she married and is still with in their 70s

Married 15 years. Hardly a feat

Lol, Rousette. She's in for a life sentence now!

I will be annoyed if Camilla isn't made to be Queen and to do the job properly. I've said this before, I think, but she auditioned hard for the role. She may or may not be the laziest subject in the Kingdom, they may or may not enjoy living apart much of the time. But once he's king I think it's right there is no question she's expected to fulfill the role and be measured against the consorts that have come before her. People might be annoyed she gets the 'honour' of being Queen but the alternative - being allowed to do just as she pleases instead - isn't a service to Diana's memory in any way. But this is just my view.

@BlueThistles bit out of context - someone asked what questionable things I meant when referring to Diana (and I also said most likely as a result of being damaged by her marriage).

To be fair - she does enough charity work we don't know she'd try to sidestep any responsibilities.

But I think it's mistake to think that setting up alternative arrangements is in any way a kindness to Diana.

[quote Noddyandbiggerears]@BlueThistles bit out of context - someone asked what questionable things I meant when referring to Diana (and I also said most likely as a result of being damaged by her marriage).[/quote]
You use words like Nasty and Malicious to describe Dianas behaviour ... and if anyone was entitled to discuss her sex life.. it would be Diana herself..

but then you describe Camilla's affair as a love story...

it shows your bias

I'm not taking anyone's side in this discussion, but I think people forget that Charles was also under tremendous pressure to marry at the time he reached 30, from the royal family and from the media. There were lots of newspaper articles saying that he should get wed, and public speculation about possible brides, including foreign princesses.

Various 'suitable' young women had, by reliable accounts, refused him. Camilla was married to APB, so no longer available. And in any case, she was not considered suitable by the royal family or its advisors.

At the same time, as a previous poster said, Diana was put under pressure by her family, especially by her grandmother who was very close to Charles's grandmother. Also, her father was a childhood friend of the Queen, served the Queen and her father King George as an equerry , remained close to the royal family and was proud to have his daughter marry the Prince of Wales. Diana's mother had married at 18. Diana did not have a career, but a series of 'little jobs', just like so many young women of her background who were in essence waiting around until they found a husband.

Neither Charles nor Diana had any experience of 'normal' family relationships. I think Charles meant it when he famously said at the time the engagement was announced, 'whatever love means'.

Last but not least, in 1981- it seems amazing to think that Charles and Diana's wedding was 40 years ago next year - attitudes really were not the same as they are today, especially not for people like Charles and Diana. Attitudes were changing, but there was still real and unresolved tension between ideas such as marrying 'for duty' or because 'it was expected' and ideas such as marrying 'for self-fulfilment' or just because you wanted to live with and have sex with someone. (Family planning clinics only started to prescribe the pill to unmarried women in 1974, and that was still controversial.) Even among ordinary families, there was often pressure on young people to 'settle down', without the expectation of 'true love' as an essential.

Something not yet mentioned is that, given Camilla's unseemly position, something probably had to be worked out well before any coronation so Charles could be presented as a "glorious" new king and an example to us all

If so, and since Charles's insisted that she (like Michael Fawcett and anything else he seems to want) was "non negotiable", it may have been a choice between going with it or bypassing him. It could even be suggested that, as with Diana, he was pushed into marrying her ... something he'd doubtless whine about every time something didn't quite suit, and which would certainly explain their largely separate lives

Once he's king I think it's right there is no question she's expected to fulfill the role and be measured against the consorts that have come before her

Good luck with that, if past bunking off early from visits is anything to go by
With Charles throwing a fit if anyone dared to question their choices, do you really think it's any use expecting her to do anything she'd rather not?

It's entirely possible she never wanted to marry him at all and would have happily stayed on the sidelines enjoying the perks without the responsibilities, but they are where they are and, as said, it's just as well it won't be a long reign if it does happen

Camilla, an Aristocrat, has a decades long affair with the man who will be our king in full view of her husband and friends and with her DC in tow. Charles treats his wife like dirt and makes her really unhappy and she ultimately dies in a car crash leaving 2 young children bereft.

What a love story!

Seriously OP, you’re utterly deluded.

@Dongdingdong your strange personal attacks say a lot more about you than me.

@Noddyandbiggerears the fact that you think a woman and man who are perfectly willing to cheat on their partners (dragging their poor young children into the horrible resulting mess as well) is an example of “genuine love” tells me everything I need to know about you TBH.

Like I say, I do hope none of these Camilla fans end up with an unfaithful DH.