Vaccine announcement was delayed to scupper Trump’s second term

[Dongdingdong]

This is what Donald Trump is claiming. And I have to say, I’m no fan of Trump but the timing does seem very convenient. AIBU to think his suspicions may have some grounds?

@Dongdingdong

Trump was also scoffed at last month for claiming that a vaccine would be ready “within weeks”.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18816418.presidential-debate-donald-trump-claims-coronavirus-vaccine-ready-going-announced-within-weeks/

Welker pointed out to Trump that experts have said it will take months before a vaccine is widely available and that masks will be needed until late 2021, echoing claims from the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Responding Trump said: “I think my timeline is going to be more accurate."

Hitting back, Joe Biden expressed doubt over Trump’s timeline for the release of a coronavirus vaccine.

Turns out he was right!

When someone announces enough fake news they are bound to occasionally announce something, which actually comes to fruition. Law of averages. I can’t see the article claiming he has lied 20,000 times as it’s behind a paywall. But this validates my point. His thoughts on injecting / drinking bleach literally killed people as some idiots actually did that.

Here’s an article about everything he said on coronavirus, not just your cherry picked conspiracy theory that 3 non US based companies, competing against each other to be the first with a viable vaccine news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-from-mocking-masks-to-backing-bleach-10-things-trump-has-said-about-covid-19-12087533.

@Dongdingdong

This is what Donald Trump is claiming. And I have to say, I’m no fan of Trump but the timing does seem very convenient. AIBU to think his suspicions may have some grounds?

Of course he is claiming that it's all about him, and that everything exists only in relation to him and not in it's own right. He's a narcissist, that's what narcissists do.

Convenient? Nice work. Throw in a vague comment like that and leave it hanging. You have the makings of a first-rate spin doctor / fake news purveyor.

@Dongdingdong

Thread reported for spreading conspiracy theories.

@AgeLikeWine is clearly not an advocate of freedom of speech then. Sorry, I didn’t realise we were living a dictatorship. Good lord.

I can’t understand why Trumpets trot out this shit.

No. We don’t live in a dictatorship. We do have free speech.

But if Trump were to have hisway, these would be a thing of the past.

He hates democracy. He hates the press. He hates being questioned. He hates transparency. He hates being held accountable.

If you are genuinely keen to maintain freedom of speech, then why the hell are you trying to defend someone like Trump??

I’m quite happy that the vaccine announcements to be made when they were. Because at least now there’s an outside chance of America becoming a semi-functioning democracy, again.

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Even a broken clock is right twice a day

From the man who hasn’t attended a C19 meeting in 5 mths, yeah he’s really concerned 🙄

Pfizer announced their vaccine results on the day when their CEO had 60% in shares due to be sold. This date is announced to the stock market in advance. Just a coincidence the vaccine results were on this day when the share price increased 15%. Nothing to do with Trump

Who knows but I doubt any vaccine announcement would have won Trump a second term. There were so many issues at stake, Covid was just one of his many missteps

If you are genuinely keen to maintain freedom of speech, then why the hell are you trying to defend someone like Trump??

Oh FFS, I’m not trying to defend him. I’m just interested in the timings of all this and am curious as to whether the announcements were deliberately delayed or not, and also about the role that big business plays in influencing elections. But as usual it sinks to playground level debate.

@AgeLikeWine I see the thread is still standing this morning, despite your best efforts. Freedom of speech is alive and well!

If your concern is genuinely the moral implications of a pharmaceutical company attempting to influence an election (and not just sympathy for trump) then why not focus on the enormous amount of money spent by these companies on supporting candidates for election?

www.statnews.com/feature/prescription-politics/prescription-politics/

This is not something new or conspiratorial - it has been happening openly for decades, and the impact of these donations is significantly greater that any possible consequence of delaying a vaccine announcement (if that is even what happened...).

By any chance, would that Is that the vaccine for the fake virus that was going to miraculously disappear after November 4th? The one that was never going to happen as only 2 or 3 people were infected ?

The orange one and his stooges spoke a lot of crap, so whatever he says, take it with a pinch of salt !

Big Pharma - the term always makes me laugh. I imagine a group of shady Bond villain CEOs meeting monthly in secret discussing how to achieve the goals of their secret organisation!! Why does no one ever refer to Big Supermarket or Big Car Manufacturer. What about little Pharma companies, when do they get indoctrinated into the world domination schemes of Big Pharma???

Well I think you have a point OP, there are questions that need asking but no one will because they hate Trump too much and just want to be rid of him. I find it quite worrying that people are so willing to bury their heads in the sand and actually become angry and attacking if you challenge that. It's working for them now because they have rid themselves of someone they hate and it's going the way they want right now but when you close your eyes to it you're giving those responsible permission to carry on and that may not work out so well in the future.

But we all knew a vaccine was coming. We all knew it was proceeding well in trials. We all knew it is the solution the lockdowns.

Why would having 'another update' about it be a conspiracy against trump?

I doubt the availability of a vaccine played too much into the Biden voters thoughts - they all knew it was coming. There's a long list of reasons to want trump out.

How are my questions to you ‘playground level debate’?

They’re valid questions.

Trump is anti-democracy.

How do you reconcile that, when you call for ‘freedom of speech’?

If Trump was right on this one occasion (although I took his comments as more of a suggestion the vaccine would be ready in weeks not for the announcement of efficacy would be made around 3 weeks after the final voting day) but how do we know he knew that and wasn't wishful thinking out loud like when he told everyone that the virus would just vanish at Easter?

The whole world doesn't revolve around him. I hate how everything is twisted by him and his supporters to show it's somehow biased. A slow election count is "suspicious" but if it was quick they'd be saying how "suspicious" it was to have finished so fast etc etc

That said it's possible they could have been ready to announce at the election but I can understand why they would delay a week or two as it could be argued they'd be making it political with that timing. But I don't think they were sitting on it for a month or more because it's not good business sense for them. There are different businesses and they all wanted to be first.

And why should a single (normal thinking) person have believed him, when he said a vaccine was imminent

He’s the boy who cried wolf. He lies and lies and lies and lies. That’s what he does.

If he wanted to appear credible at any point, he could have been a credible person.

And now the OP is pissed off because the majority of (normal thinking) people are so heartily sick of Trump, and are simply not prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on anything.

Deal with it, or take your questions to Parler, or wherever they might be better received.

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Oh good god. After spending weeks moaning that the vaccine is being 'rushed', now the conspiracy theorists are complaining that it's beendelayed for nefarious purposes! It would not be sensible for a pharmaceutical company to delay its announcement of a crucial vaccine beyond what's necessary for establishing effectiveness and safety. Even if they didn't care about human health, they would worry about being upstaged by other companies and not getting full credit. In any case, of the three vaccines that have now announced results, only the Moderna one is American-based. Why would Pfizer or AstraZenica be that concerned with the American elections? Not everything is about Trump, even if he thinks it is.

Numerous companies have been working flat out since early this year on developing a range of vaccines, not just one, and it's been clear for months to everyone, imcluding dare I say the POTUS, that there would probably - probably - be news on this front from some or all of them by the end of the year.

But as we know many of the votes in the US election were cast, perfectly legally, well in advance of the actual Election Day of November 3rd - about 67% of the votes were cast early it seems (although some states wouldn't allow them to be counted, or even prepared on an administrative basis for counting, until well after Election Day...but that's another story...). On hat basis for the timing of the Pfizer announcement (or indeed any of the other announcements) to have had any real impact it would have had to be made much, much earlier in the US election process.

So I think for that reason as well as many of the others posted above (eg competition to be first to announce, need to inform financial regulators of info which may have a big impact on their stock price etc), the timing was just coincidental.

It could have happened a few days earlier maybe, but not weeks (probably) and from Trump's point of view that's unfortunate as he couldn't make the political capital out of it that he would have liked - but unless it had come much earlier wouldn't have changed anything anyway...imho

I was told that Republicans would make this claim even before the election.

OP - will you be having the vaccine when it's out?

So yeah YABU to think Trump's suspicions have some grounds as just about everything points in a different direction. But I think you know that now, don't you?

Entertaining thread though. 😁

Well the argument is totally stupid for one. If they had announced this news on election day or slightly before, it would certainly be influencing the potential result of the election and would arouse tonnes of suspicion around bribery and corruption.

So look at it another way. The only appropriate time to release results like this is after the election. It had nothing to do with trump but with his misinformation and lying he would have made millions of people think it was because of him. If they could have released the results earlier and didn't - then they 100% made the correct decision for democracy and the promotion of truth.