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Covid vaccine and camping group...

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earsup · 20/11/2020 22:33

AIBU to have left one of the camping / van groups I belong to as some very vocal organisers insist any future attendance only allowed if attendees are vaccinated..!
Brief background...its a voluntary group...we all share tasks so pay very little for the 2 week camping...some cook, others collect litter etc...its generally quite pleasant....however some members started a poll and a survey about attendance and vaccination...myself and 3 others objected....stated that vaccine is personal choice...I also stated I would personally be unhappy about having such a recent vaccine with no lenghty trials....myself and the others who questioned the reasoning of attendence with vaccine recieved abuse...called selfish, murderers, irresponsible etc....no reasoning with those group members so we have all left it and deleted our profiles...feel relieved...the abuse was relentless..bombarded with death stats etc..

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Writerandreader · 20/11/2020 22:38

They sound unreasonable but the vaccine has not been rushed it's just had huge amounts of money poured into it so it happened much quicker than usual. Nothing about the safety part if it was done any differently than with a usual vaccine.

I don't believe it shld be mandatory but please read some articles that explain all the concerns you might have about the vaccine

However on your point in the post yanbu as they are overreacting. If they have had the vaccine they don't need to worry!

VetiverAndLavender · 20/11/2020 22:55

If they have had the vaccine they don't need to worry!

Exactly!

How ridiculous to screech about people being murderers merely because they have concerns about a vaccine that's only just been released. That will certainly allay any fears and have everyone queuing up for the vaccine in no time! Hmm

Takemetothebar · 20/11/2020 22:58

Clearly YANBU to leave the group. You can belong or leave to whatever groups you like. You must know this- you are an adult.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 20/11/2020 23:00

separate anti vax camping group?

Those who are pro vaccine have as much right to decide they don't want to be in close proximity to those that have chosen not to be vaccinated as you have to choose not to be vaccinated.

Bonus for anyone not bothered about it - they get a choice of dates.

Spinakker · 20/11/2020 23:12

Yanbu I completely agree with you.

Juststopswimming · 20/11/2020 23:17

I really think you need to educate yourself about how this vaccine has been developed before you say things like "i don't want a vaccine that hasn't had lengthy trials"

It HAS had extensive trials, its just that everything- literally everything- has been thrown at it to roll it out as quickly as possible. That doesn't mean anything has been done too quickly or without the usual rigour.

Lalliella · 20/11/2020 23:18

Having the vaccine should be optional. But those that refuse it should have to self-isolate forever. I hate anti-vaxxers. They think they know better than the science which makes them completely stupid. I hope I never meet one.

Personofinterest1 · 20/11/2020 23:19

If they don’t want anti vaxxers in their group that would be fine by me. You can set up your own little super spreader camping trip!

Oodlesofnoodles20 · 20/11/2020 23:26

Yanbu to leave any group you don’t agree with. Wish you luck with your new anti vaxxers camping group, it’ll have to be a small group due to the amount of non vaccinated being able to socialise together.

agradecida · 20/11/2020 23:30

Yanbu to leave the group - your choice
They ABU to even have this discussion now when no one actually knows the time scale, who will get it, etc. E.g. its very doubtful that pregnant women will get it, would they be excluded from the camping?
YABU to say you wouldn't be happy to get a 'recent vaccine without lengthy trails' as its just not true- one of the biggest threats to us getting back to 'normality' is people continuing to talk about this(these) being a 'rushed through' vaccine. I suggest you actually read up on how the safety standards of the approved covid vaccines will differ from all the other vaccines we get (spoiler alert: they don't)
YABU to be hoping to be going on any camping trips happening in the near future (ie lockdown ending within the next year) as a result of you being happy for everyone else around you to take the vaccine to provide herd immunity for you.

Heyahun · 20/11/2020 23:48

Lolz they can have any rules they want.

Make your own camping group with your own rules if you don’t like it 😂

Retiremental · 20/11/2020 23:51

Unbelievable.

TingTastic · 20/11/2020 23:56

The vaccines are looking to about 90% effective. That means the other 10% will have to rely on herd immunity. Plus people who can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons. Therefore, I don’t think that they have done anything wrong by saying they only want to mix with other vaccinated people

Original poster
earsup · 20/11/2020 23:57

some varied comments here...I am not anti vax...I am unsure....need more time to digest the info etc...I was just very surprised that the vaccine policy was pounced on and anyone who disagreed at all slightly was abused...!

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KrisAkabusi · 21/11/2020 00:11

You are entitled not to take the vaccine. They are entitled not to let you go camping with them.

NailsNeedDoing · 21/11/2020 00:11

It seems a weird thing for anyone to be imposing rules about seeing as it’s unlikely to be that freely available any time soon, and there’s a chance that a group trip would be allowed before everyone had the option of taking it. Either way, it’s way too early to be making decisions around it.

It’s a shame that people who you’d have previously been able to share a trip with have turned into twats because of the virus.

GlowingOrb · 21/11/2020 00:17

A vaccination requirement is a perfectly reasonable rule for a completely optional activity. There is nothing stopping you from forming a split off group for the non-Vaxed. I do think you will find that this won’t be the only instance of your social life being impacted by choosing to skip this particular vaccine. .

Throckmorton · 21/11/2020 00:24

In the kindest way, you sound very uneducated about the vaccine and they have probably assumed you are an anti-vax nutter, hence the overly harsh replies you received from them. Unless all of you live in a care home or are exceedingly elderly, none of you will be getting the vaccine when it first rolls out anyway.

MotherExtraordinaire · 21/11/2020 05:26

Under current legislation, they're not able to do this.
However, given what ticketmaster etc has said, they may have to legally permit negative tests ahead of it, otherwise it would be discriminatory.

Fwiw @earsup I'm a CEV so been shielding and like you, at this time, feel the same.

queenMab99 · 21/11/2020 07:02

Although I would personally be vaccinated against covid, as soon as I get the opportunity, I think you are right to leave a group if they are starting to try to dictate aspects your life which are personal choices, and being so unpleasant about it.

satnighttakeaway · 21/11/2020 07:09

@Takemetothebar

Clearly YANBU to leave the group. You can belong or leave to whatever groups you like. You must know this- you are an adult.
As this is so clearly the truth I cant help but think this is some strange attempt to spread vaccine misinformation. You don't need us to approve your action, it's entirely up to you.
MotherExtraordinaire · 21/11/2020 07:15

@satnighttakeaway
As this is so clearly the truth I cant help but think this is some strange attempt to spread vaccine misinformation.
You don't need us to approve your action, it's entirely up to you
I disagree.
I think that the issue op has outlined, is going to become more prevalent.
Ticketmaster,as I quoted, have already got policy in place their events can only be attended with a valid, within the last year vaccination certificate or proof of negative test within 24 hours of the event.
This will be, whether we like it or not, an issue.

Sunflowergirl1 · 21/11/2020 07:30

YANBU leaving the group. Equally if the rest want it then it is not unreasonably for them to make it a requirement. Personally I think all school children should not be allowed to attend school unless fully vaccinated as it is generally others that suffer as well if they catch anything.

But in any event...how would they know whether you are vaccinated or not?

Winter2020 · 21/11/2020 07:39

I can understand anyone feeling a little anxious about any vaccine - my kids had all their vaccinations but I don't dismiss anyone's concerns and had my worries, however....
At the moment (unless you stay locked inside alone) it is fairly likely that you will contract Covid 19 at some point and when you do there is a (small but reasonable I think) chance that it will ravage your lungs or lead to chronic fatigue...(assuming it doesn't kill you).

So, for me, this decision isn't whether to risk the side effect of a vaccination versus an unlikely event of getting an illness that has become rare (due of course to other people's vaccinations) but whether to risk the small possibility of a side effect of a vaccine versus reasonably likely chance of getting the virus and then not unlikely potential for debilitating outcomes.

Extended members of my family currently have the virus. Who knows if they will be fine when they recover or have ongoing health problems - it's a lottery.

You could of course choose to stay locked up to "stay safe" for the foreseeable future.

lljkk · 21/11/2020 07:48

It's unenforceable. Vaccine protection may well wear off after a year or 2, so are they going to demand proof of recent boosters.

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