Covid vaccine and camping group...

[earsup]

AIBU to have left one of the camping / van groups I belong to as some very vocal organisers insist any future attendance only allowed if attendees are vaccinated..!
Brief background...its a voluntary group...we all share tasks so pay very little for the 2 week camping...some cook, others collect litter etc...its generally quite pleasant....however some members started a poll and a survey about attendance and vaccination...myself and 3 others objected....stated that vaccine is personal choice...I also stated I would personally be unhappy about having such a recent vaccine with no lenghty trials....myself and the others who questioned the reasoning of attendence with vaccine recieved abuse...called selfish, murderers, irresponsible etc....no reasoning with those group members so we have all left it and deleted our profiles...feel relieved...the abuse was relentless..bombarded with death stats etc..

I hate it when a disagreement becomes an opportunity to lynch people. I'm pro vaccination but I'm also pregnant so would prefer to wait until after baby is born. I agree with PP that the safety element has not been rushed. But equally this hasn't been going on long enough to know what the effects are, if any, on an unborn child.

Group leaders have the right to dictate the terms (and I agree with them).

You have the right to leave the group.

Go find a nice anti-vax camping group and have a lovely time.

@earsup

Do you always take time to digest medical evidence for every treatment? Must take a long time!

@Sunflowergirl1

YANBU leaving the group. Equally if the rest want it then it is not unreasonably for them to make it a requirement. Personally I think all school children should not be allowed to attend school unless fully vaccinated as it is generally others that suffer as well if they catch anything.

But in any event...how would they know whether you are vaccinated or not?

There's an online certificate app that is verified that you have to prove when asked for.

Google ticketmaster for further info.

fullfact.org/health/ticketmaster-coronavirus-vaccine/

I think YABU for deviating into your views on this vaccine. They only wanted a yes or no.

Iif the majority want it to be restricted to those vaccinated only, then of course you will have to leave the group and yanbu to quit before being expelled.

If group members are in quite close proximity when group trips are happening, then it's totally understandable why they want protective measures in place

@PaddyF0dder

Group leaders have the right to dictate the terms (and I agree with them).

You have the right to leave the group.

Go find a nice anti-vax camping group and have a lovely time.

This.

@PaddyF0dder

Group leaders have the right to dictate the terms (and I agree with them).

You have the right to leave the group.

Go find a nice anti-vax camping group and have a lovely time.

I also agree with this.

1. The abuse was not acceptable on any level.
2. People are entitled to make their own choices and decisions, including to mix only in groups of vaccinated friends. I suspect that some travel next year will depend on vaccination status.
3. I don’t understand this ‘rushed through’ tizzy. Every single year a bee flu vaccine is developed to deal with each year’s new flu strain. This has just been more complex. It doesn’t contain any substances not currently used in medicine. Making any impact on the spread of this pandemic requires mass vaccination.
4. Whatever you decide I hope you find a happy solution to your camping.

I’m very much pro vaccination. I think you need to stop listening to FB scaremongering and learn about how vaccines are regulated in the UK.

However clearly YANBU to leave any group at any time, and also they are being a bit silly and unrealistic. There will always be unvaccinated people. Initially it won’t be offered to children, and it’s going to take some time to vaccinate the 18-50s. Some people will never be allowed to have the vaccine because of their own immune system issues. I am very concerned that their lives might be restricted by this kind of policy. Some people will be non-responders and will not know they don’t have immunity.

Personally I would not want to be around too many unvaccinated people, in case I’m one of the non-responders. A whole protest full of anti vaxxers is something to avoid because herd immunity would be lost. But the odd one, especially someone with clinical contraindications, would not bother me.

YABU for going away in a group anyway. Wait until all this is over like everybody else. YABU for being misinformed about these vaccines. They won't be rolled out until checked thoroughly - much more money has been thrown at this to enable it to happen more quickly. That is all.

Are you a scientist? Everyone is a scientist these days lol

OP, since it is now clear that the pandemic will continue until we have a vaccine, can you not see that people saying they won’t get vaxxed, on spurious unresearched grounds, will be seen as selfish? Because they will benefit without having been part of the solution. And are slowing the solution down.

Abuse is not acceptable, but stating an opinion that it is selfish is people having the right to discuss their opinion.

I’m pro vaccination but there isn’t going to be a vaccine available to the whole population for some time. It’s ludicrous to expect everyone to be vaccinated when many will simply not have access to it!

You are probably going to find that having a vaccine is going to be a requirement for a lot of things.

Huge stocks of vaccine are being manufactured. And the government are right now commissioning sites all over the country as mass vaccination centres. I know someone (thankfully a highly efficient person!) who is involved in finding and contracting the sites.

I would take the piss out of them and suggest they only let people who are vaccinated against everything, TB, flu etc attend.

This thread proves the pro vaxxers are as bonkers as the anti vaxxers. Making blanket statements about a vaccine nobody has even had yet!

Seriously there is still an incredible amount of unknowns about which vaccine we will end up being offered and how and when it will be rolled out. So I really can’t understand why people are getting their knickers in a twist about a vaccine which is currently offered to absolutely no one!!!

We know kids won’t get the vaccine, it’s unlikely pregnant woman, breast feeding women and many more will also be unlikely to have it. Then it will be a while before the healthy young population get it. Surely if people have the vaccine they are fine why are they so worried about people who haven’t/won’t be able to have it?

How do they all know they will be in a position to be offered the vaccine before the next planned trip ? In theory it would be lovely if everyone is offered the vaccine, but I doubt that will be the case initially. Depending on the age and health of the members they might not get offered it until next years camping season is over.

I will be having the vaccine as soon as it is available to me, NHS worker so hopefully sooner rather than later

Completely agree with you OP!

The worst thing about people like you @earsup is you’re talking about ‘when you can go camping again’ which you will only be able to do when there is a vaccine and when people take the vaccine. You want to not have to take it just in case there is a small risk to you but want others to take it so you can do the activities you want to do. Pure and utter selfishness.

And if this is not the case and you don’t think anyone should have the vaccine then your discussion about group camping trips is irrelevant as they wouldn’t be happening.

Hopefully those that refuse the vaccine will be banned from public places. Why should responsible people who have the vaccine carry the irresponsible ones that don't?

The vaccines are looking to about 90% effective. That means the other 10% will have to rely on herd immunity.

Usually I am the one mocking anti-vaxxers but there is a huge level of misunderstanding about this vaccine.

The 90% figure is about it's ability in disease modification, not immunity. It stops people getting ill, not from getting and passing on the virus.

It's very uncertain what (if any) immunity will be conferred. Best guess is probably between 3 months and 2 years of antibody response for most people.

Only about 30% of the population will get the vaccine because the remainder will get little benefit from it to justify the cost. So there will be no herd immunity from the vaccine.

I think it's an unfair selection criteria. What if someone has an auto immune condition, can't have the Oxford vaccine and prefers to wait for a later non live vaccine?

However YABU to not have the vaccine as that's protecting others and it's not all about you.