Disgusting

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's disgusting that the pay of Nurses, Prison Officers, police, Teachers and other public service workers who have kept us safe despite the risk to themselves throughout this Covid year are the ones that get their pay frozen

More disgusted at the 6.1 billion a year the country loses due to benefit fraud and fraud against the NHS that would go a massive way to public sector pay rises

The amount of unclaimed benefits exceeds those claimed fraudulently.

Yes bananaPop2020 - it's a job I couldn't even think of doing. Working in a maximum security YOI or Prison means you have your personal safety on the line every single day, and must remain on 'high alert' with eyes and ears swivelling around you! No down time at all.

I always feel they are the forgotten service - every thug, murderer, rapist etc we want off our streets, ends up being in the care of somebody else's son or daughter for sod all recognition. You barely hear them mentioned at all. Thank god there is somebody doing that job to keep us safe - but they are seriously under appreciated.

The private sector will be in free fall. Businesses collapsing
Without a string private sector you can’t have a strong public sector. Which is exactly why we should not lockdown

@stovetopespresso I think you tagged the wrong person

we're all in this together

😂😂😂

Do people actually believe this

There's a lot of people in all jobs that have had a massively reduced income this year, we're all in this together

All in this together? I don’t see your average worker in the private sector coming into close contact with hundreds directly (and thousands indirectly) weekly without any form of protection whatsoever. No way have we ever all been in this together.

MPs managed to get their pay rise though didnt they?

Without a strong private sector you can’t have a strong public sector

I’m surprised that so many people don’t make this connection.

Id really like to see more of a co operative system in place where disparate in wages is curbed

www.theguardian.com/social-enterprise-network/2013/jun/20/cooperative-myth-equal-pay

@user1497787065

I worked in the private sector, furloughed and then made redundant.

Would love to be working even without a pay necessary.

Same here.

@yellowcatss workers have no say over pension contributions unless you opt out. A 1% pay rise with an increased pension contribution and the cost of inflation yearly being more than 1% would ultimately mean that someone is earning less than they were years ago and it will buy less in real terms.

@Isthatitnow

There's a lot of people in all jobs that have had a massively reduced income this year, we're all in this together

All in this together? I don’t see your average worker in the private sector coming into close contact with hundreds directly (and thousands indirectly) weekly without any form of protection whatsoever. No way have we ever all been in this together.

The private sector is the sector which has been screwed by lockdown. There won't be a public sector in the end, as the public sector is paid for by people who will no longer be paying tax.

Disgusting.

Remember this at the next election.

My friend is a teAcher and she is getting a pay rise ? Is that because you can still be moved up grades / scales

But we will be spending 16 billion on some willy wavingly large navy, and some useless local government officer (i.e. me) who does nothing all day other than drink coffee and wait for their gold plated pension to roll in will indubitably have to pay for it.

The private sector is the sector which has been screwed by lockdown.
Hmmm. Certainly some of it has. Not any part of it that is friends with Boris or Dominic though, according to the Parliamentary inquiry into the awarding of contracts during Covid. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-ppe-covid-pmqs-starmer-b1724895.html

There is a massive recruitment crisis in the prison service! Maybe those made redundant in the private sector might apply?

As long as the bankers do not get bonuses then I’m happy to be in this all together. But it never is like this is it. Public sector jobs will be decimated in a few years as reorganisations occur to cut budgets by millions of pounds.

I don't feel bitter about it, I'm NHS and at least I have a job and a pension. So many people have lost their jobs and homes and face a grim future.

I'd be a lot more worried about the £billions this government has spent on handing out contracts to their mates for unsuitable and unusable PPE. As for benefits - you can't get £23k unless you are in particularly difficult circumstances with disabled children and extremely high housing costs. Lastly - yellowcatss have you ever hears of inflation, and do you know how it works?

And all this nonsense about not having a public sector - are you aware of what the consequences will be? If you want teachers, nurses, firefighters in a different way, you will be paying them more. Because they will not have the flexibility, pensions and good annual leave entitlements they do now, so they will want wages to match their skills. Private sector level wages, that is. Think about that.

The private sector is the sector which has been screwed by lockdown

I know a few people working in the private sector and their salaries and job security hasn't altered one bit, and they are looking forward, as usual, to nice bonuses. The main thing that's changed for them is that they work from home now.

My tuppence worth - I actually totally understand why pay might be frozen in the nhs (including my own pay), despite this being the hardest year ever.
First, I do think nurses / doctors in the NHS (myself included) pretty much have a guaranteed job - there are huge numbers of vacancies in nursing.

However, when the private sector is doing well, we still haven't had a decent pay rise. So while I might understand that this year / next year etc I can't get a pay rise, what we do see is that even when the economy is doing well, we don't get a pay rise either. I think that's what bothers me - we get penalised either way.

As an example, my DH earns double what I do in the private sector. But he doesn't manage anyone and his actions at work might cause trouble, but no one will die because he doesn't do his job. I manage a team of 30+ who are responsible for providing care for the most vulnerable members of society. What sticks is that in a few years as the economy somehow gets back on its feet, the NHS will continue to be in austerity, forever trying to cut while ringing out as much as possible from its staff.

If there was a clear plan, that if the economy grows by x% then the public sector will see pay rises, then I think less people would be upset, it's the fact that we all know that in 6 months when everyone is vaccinated NHS staff will go back to being vilified, useless, uncaring in the public eye.

We see it already - look at posts noting how great swathes of the NHS were sitting around with nothing to do - I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't been busy. We had a quiet month right at the beginning of lockdown because people were scared to allow HCPs in their house. Now, our referral rates are higher than ever, on the backdrop of staff being human beings and having the same issues with self-isolating, children's bubbles popping, being told to isolate via track and trace with no extra resource to meet our service demand.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if there is a mass exodus of nurses in the next 12 months - maybe they will be searching out all the parts of the nhs that were quiet during lockdown in preparation for which ever next crisis hits the NHS.