Ban on new petrol/diesel cars by 2030 - AIBU to be excited?

[almostautumn]

The government are set to announce a ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030. As someone who lives in a polluted city (London) and worries about the effect that carbon emissions are having on my family’s health, I’m so excited by this news because I think it will really change our children’s lives for the better. And it’s fantastic that it’s only 10 years away!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54981425

If I was buying a new car today, I'd make it a plug-in hybrid.

DH had one of these up until last year and it was brilliant for getting to and from work everyday. However when we went on holiday or down to my parents it was a struggle nigh on impossible to charge it and the petrol costs went through the roof compared to a normal petrol engine. He has a non-plug-in hybrid now and I agree, I don't think it's massively greener than a very fuel efficient petrol engine.

PaddyF0dder

20 years ago I don’t have a computer that would fit in my pocket or around my wrist, look how far the manufacturers have come without pressure

It's not the car manufacturers that will be the problem. It will be the charging infrastructure outside the high revenue areas. See broadband and mobile phone coverage for examples of where the issues will be. And that is with a government programme.

@safariboot so, you'd rather me get another petrol car? Because, as with a fully electric, the slight issue with a plug in hybrid is that I can't charge it up at home. There's 1 supermarket locally with charging points and a shopping centre. I use the shopping centre once a month. The supermarket with charging facilities isn't the nearest one, and involves the use of a motorway to get to it, as does the shopping centre. So, to run a plug in would currently be a waste of time.
It's not even like I can't use my current car for local trips as I'm in a wheelchair. Trying to use local transport near me is a non starter as I can never get on a bus because there's either a pram in the wheelchair space or only room upstairs. Now, if my local council came along and said they'd install charging points outside each house on the street for those who want to go electric, that would be great. However, they aren't. At least not in the next 9-10 years. Of course, I'd hope to have moved to somewhere with off road parking by then, so it's a bit of a moot point. However, with what you're saying and, with the knowledge that my current car likely only has another year or 2 left, you're not helping your cause as, I'm not using a car or driving further than I need to just so I can charge it up while I do a food shop (not to mention hoping that the charging spaces are going to be free) to ensure I'm getting the benefit of a plug in hybrid. I may as well just get a petrol car on motability when my current car does go and see where the fully electric technology goes over the next few years.

@ivykaty44

PaddyF0dder

20 years ago I don’t have a computer that would fit in my pocket or around my wrist, look how far the manufacturers have come without pressure

Difference is that there's a demand for smart phones and watches.

You have fallen for the headline hype, OP, hook line and sinker.

This will not do very much to improve air quality at all, as exhaust emissions only account for about 20% of total vehicular emissions.

Because they are heavier electric cars emit more of the most damaging PM 2.5 emissions (the smallest sized particulate matter which gets right down into the lungs and do the most damage).

And that's not even addressing the issue of how all the extra electricity that will be needed is to be generated.

I predict a huge rush to buy new petrol and diesel cars just before the ban, then people will drive them for as long as they can.

We do need to improve air quality and to reduce energy use, but how we do this should not be decided by a bunch of scientifically ignorant politicians looking for a quick fix and a boost in their short term popularity.

Jasmin82, there are cars on my street that run their charging cable across the pavement but firmly attached down with proper fastenings, where there's a will, there's a way!

@Macncheeseballs

Jasmin82, there are cars on my street that run their charging cable across the pavement but firmly attached down with proper fastenings, where there's a will, there's a way!

There is also a possible lawsuit. No way would I dare to run a cable over our pavement, even if properly attached.

We do need to improve air quality and to reduce energy use, but how we do this should not be decided by a bunch of scientifically ignorant politicians looking for a quick fix and a boost in their short term popularity.

but weirdly if politicians decide on this (like for lightbulb ban and plastic bag charge) then there is the push industries and individuals need to make a change.

@Macncheeseballs I doubt that would be a solution for me. I'm usually parked about 50 yards from my house on the opposite side of the road.

Difference is that there's a demand for smart phones and watches.

There will be a demand for electric cars when people can't buy anything else.

As a bit of trivia. This picture was taken in 1915 on 'Ladies day' at the opening of Detroit Athletic Club HQ. There are over 50 cars in the picture, only one isn't electric.

@Bwlch

Difference is that there's a demand for smart phones and watches.

There will be a demand for electric cars when people can't buy anything else.

Sales of petrol cars will go through the roof in the mid to late 20's. The second hand petrol car market will be very buoyant in the 30's. Petrol cars can easily last 20 years if serviced regularly and driven sensibly.

So, maybe by 2040, people will "have to" buy electric as the stocks of petrol cars starts to deplete.

Petrol cars can easily last 20 years if serviced regularly and driven sensibly.

Or longer. We have 65 year old petrol car. However, it needs petrol and, as the uptake of electric vehicles grows, the number of fuel outlets for IC engined cars will inevitably shrink.

We have a 65 year old petrol car.

Difference is that there's a demand for smart phones and watches

And you don’t think they’ll be a demand for new cars after 2030...? 🙈😂

I predict a huge rush to buy new petrol and diesel cars just before the ban, then people will drive them for as long as they can.

If a manufacturer knows that there product is unsalable in 2030 do you think they will increase product of that product or look to a new product that they will still be able to sell after 2030

Lots of people in flats in london they would need tonne of on street charging points. Every lamppost and in betwern
Also electric cars still way too expensive 2ok new at least vs basic modell petrol under 10k

@Kazzyhoward there wasn't when they first brought them out,
demand came with time and advances in technology

@ivykaty44

Difference is that there's a demand for smart phones and watches

And you don’t think they’ll be a demand for new cars after 2030...? 🙈😂

Difference is that people wanting smart phones/watches are getting something new and exciting.

With cars, what incentive is there for "wanting" an electric car which is more expensive than a petrol one and likely to be difficult to charge and have shorter range?

People are enthusiastic to buy things they actually want. Completely different when they're forced to buy something they don't want because what they do want is no longer available.

@TonTonMacoute

You have fallen for the headline hype, OP, hook line and sinker.

This will not do very much to improve air quality at all, as exhaust emissions only account for about 20% of total vehicular emissions.

Because they are heavier electric cars emit more of the most damaging PM 2.5 emissions (the smallest sized particulate matter which gets right down into the lungs and do the most damage).

And that's not even addressing the issue of how all the extra electricity that will be needed is to be generated.

I predict a huge rush to buy new petrol and diesel cars just before the ban, then people will drive them for as long as they can.

We do need to improve air quality and to reduce energy use, but how we do this should not be decided by a bunch of scientifically ignorant politicians looking for a quick fix and a boost in their short term popularity.

Some EV manufacturers are now using regenerative braking which does not rely on frictional wear of the brakes, lowering emissions. I rarely use the traditional brake in my car for example.

@Kazzyhoward I'm guessing you've never driven an electric car.
Mine is definitely new exciting and more fun to drive than any car I've had before. The driving experience is quite different and despite initial reservations, we love it.
Added extras like being able to preheat the car on cold days are very much like the exciting new toy bits of phones - not necessary but nice to have.
Petrol / diesel cars are still going to be with us for quite some time (people saying they only spent £600 on a car are still going to be doing that as they clearly weren't buying brand new anyway) and there will be much more of a second hand market in 10yrs, I know that the lease car we have will go straight for sale after the lease is up. Seeing that everyone we know on the lease scheme through work has got an electric car this year, that's going to start to bring a lot more second hand cars into the market.

Kazzyhoward

people want new cars, it amazes me as you lose £3000/£40000 the first mile driven and tbh I think its bonkers...but other want that new vehicle and don't care

so they will still want a new car, they will not want a second hand car and so will not be fazed by price

those that are not able to afford a new car will do hp or lease

@Macncheeseballs

Jasmin82, there are cars on my street that run their charging cable across the pavement but firmly attached down with proper fastenings, where there's a will, there's a way!

That practice needs to be banned. Someone near me trails his car charging lead over the pavement and covers it with those heavy duty rubber cable covers. Utterly selfish of him - very bumpy and difficult for wheelchair users, especially if a whole street of people were to do the same.

These are the type that are easy to wheel over