Ban on new petrol/diesel cars by 2030 - AIBU to be excited?

[almostautumn]

The government are set to announce a ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030. As someone who lives in a polluted city (London) and worries about the effect that carbon emissions are having on my family’s health, I’m so excited by this news because I think it will really change our children’s lives for the better. And it’s fantastic that it’s only 10 years away!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54981425

I live 16 miles from my nearest town and I can only think of 2 charging points in that town. Nearest large hospital is 80 miles away, it's positive news but will be a nightmare for some rural homes.

in addition, what's happening is that Euro 7 emission standards will be raised to such a level that 'conventional' motors will get a lot more expensive to build and upkeep.

It's an incredibly flawed plan and is genuinely concerning if you live rurally. Shortsighted, as per.

Boris will not be in power by 2030 so I expect and hope it will be pushed back. This Tory government is hideous.

@Bakeachocolatecaketoday

And it's been argued lots of times, the response to people who have specific needs for a particular type of car were told to test drive a Tesla. The people who need to buy a cheaper car (5k is still too much for some people to afford) might need more than a tiny car with limited range and power.

The current availability, the current infrastructure do not install confidence.

The lack of awareness from those celebrating this and the Trumpesque shouts of 'fake news' are embarrassing

www.weforum.org/great-reset/

District nurses are/would be easily able to afford and use a currently available EV, and fit all their stuff in it and go the distances they need to go.

Also, do you assume that district nurses only use their cars for carrying nursey stuff?

What about those who have families, horses, wheelchairs whatever - how do they manage then?

@ineedsun they wait for the new electric suvs to hit the 2nd hand market. Look at the Enyaq it's the same size as the Kodiaq. That's 1 brand 1 model. Drive a Kia sportage, look at the eNiro. Want a fancier brand? Tesla model X, Audi etron, bmw ix3. Want an estate MG have you covered. That's a scratch at the surface there are way more models of all shapes and sizes out there. Obviously because most people my electric new at the moment, they seem way out of people's price range. When you look at the same ICE car models new, they're a similar price. If you don't by new ICE then you won't buy new electric. You just have to wait for the electric models to come down to the price bracket you can afford. And there's decades for this to happen. You'll probably find if electric is out of your price range, you may go for a 2nd hand hybrid first to replace an ICE car, and that could be well into the 2040s. You might not get an electric car until 2050s!

Can you see it?
2035 and a shady looking character is huddled in the rain on a street corner. The street lamp picks out dishevelled features and a trench coat that’s seen better days.
You walk slowly towards him as he opens one side of the scruffy looking coat revealing an array of keys as he whispers “psst, want to buy a diesel SUV?”

Do any ICE cars have a 3.5 tonne towing capacity?

Not read the full thread, how do you charge an electric car if you live in a terraced house and some times have to park on the next street, on in a flat, or you have space on the drive for one car but your house hold have 3 cars?

It really won't happen by 2030. However, it wouldn't happen by 2040 either if the govt didn't push for it to happen by 2030. It's government strategy to push for tight deadlines in order to put a rocket up the backside of all those effected and to panic car manufacturers/charging point manufacturers. It's about signalling the way forward for companies to invest in these technologies. Yes, they will miss the deadline and be criticized for that. However, without a ambitious deadline in the first place, it just wouldn't happen. I am confident that in 20 years time we will all be driving electric though. Or an other form of energy.

I am confident that in 20 years time we will all be driving electric though.

Modern cars can last 20+ years. They'll still be available until 2030, so there's the potential for lots of them to still be around between 2040 and 2050. I'd say "most" will be electric in 20 years, i.e. over half, but certainly nowhere near "all" of us.

@Duckduckduck123

As someone who lives in the Highlands and Islands, this ban really worries me. We've regular road closures resulting in 60 mile detours on roads that then get shut due to flooding and accidents from all the extra traffic. Even with the best will on the world, they can't be enough charging points built alongside the big motorways to stop you having a hours wait for a 20 minute 80% charge

I agree, if the rest and be thankful is shut there is a massive detour to get anywhere and I can’t see how they would implement charging stations in massive stretches of rural or single track roads that the highlands and island rely on.

@MrsMiaWallis Landrover, it’s not just the towing capacity, it’s the weight, the car has to be heavier than what it’s towing or it’s not safe. Landrover’s (not freelancers) are over 3 tonne, not many vehicles are.

Do any ICE cars have a 3.5 tonne towing capacity?

There's a though. You could tow a big generator for extra range.

I'd say my kid's lungs and life expectancy are more important than your worries about where you might plug in your electric car. I'd have said that your kid's health worries were one strand of imprtantance and that people in both rural and high density living areas are another!

Solving the problem of my not being able to plug in my electric car would go some way to solving your kid's health issues!

Not to mention my issue of earning a living !

I'd say my kid's lungs and life expectancy are more important than your worries about where you might plug in your electric car.

You are talking about putting millions of people out of work because society is based upon the infrastructure that we have right now.
I live in a terraced house area where sometimes I have to park a 25-minute walk to my house if I am late back from work.
I drive a van- no fuel- no job and millions of people would be in the same boat.
We know how much lockdown has cost us - do we want to create another catestrophic event - how many people do you think have their own drives? Half maybe?

It’s amazing how many people love shooting down ideas but offer none of their own.

Climate change is real. Cars contribute hugely. Electric cars form part of the solution.

Adapt or go extinct.

It’s amazing how many people love shooting down ideas but offer none of their own.

Well I would love to find a solution for those without drives, car parking spaces or who live in roads where they cannot park near their houses. Unfortunately none exist at present and clearly there aren't any easy solutions otherwise the electric car companies would have thought of them by now.

It's no good making grand statements like we are going to stop production of none electric vehicles if you haven't even started ironing out pretty obvious hurdles.

@PaddyF0dder

It’s amazing how many people love shooting down ideas but offer none of their own.

Climate change is real. Cars contribute hugely. Electric cars form part of the solution.

Adapt or go extinct.

You've misunderstood; not read most of the posts fully; come to an uninformed assumption!

Many who are posting about the the problems that they can see in their locations are NOT shooting down anything. Just pointing out that there needs to be a huge increase in relevant infrastructure.

Pronouncing Adapt or go extinct. is hardly relevant when talking about technological advances, they have to occur at a rate that humans CAN adapt themselves, their social topography, etc.

Now, if you had come here and explained the solution to high density and rural living issues....

I wonder how many people on here remember when in 1998 people were given two years notice that the sale of leaded 4 star petrol would be banned?
Despite there being plenty of warnings before the announcement, plenty of people were up in arms, complaining how they couldn't afford to get the engine converted, or couldn't afford to get a different car, and how it was going to hit the poorest and many of the other arguments being played out on here?
Quite clearly it didn't pan out as the nay-sayers predicted, and in fact car ownership since 2000 has gone up from 27 million to 33 million today.

It's worth remembering that Tesla as a company only brought out their first car in 2008, and this year they overtook Toyota to become the worlds most valuable car maker - that's a lot of change in the car market in just over a decade.
Back then there were a handful of manufacturers producing limited numbers now most major makes are releasing electric models, apparently Tesla's entry to the market kicked a lot of them up the bum.
It's hard to judge where we are going from where we are now. There are some valid issues at this point in time but they aren't insurmountable and the industry is already evolving at a rapid pace.

No I'm not excited, until there is a charging point for every address in the country & they improve the range of the cars so they don't need to be charged every 200 miles, plus the prices need to come down, there is no chance of me buying one.

@Ifailed

I wonder how many people on here remember when in 1998 people were given two years notice that the sale of leaded 4 star petrol would be banned? Despite there being plenty of warnings before the announcement, plenty of people were up in arms, complaining how they couldn't afford to get the engine converted, or couldn't afford to get a different car, and how it was going to hit the poorest and many of the other arguments being played out on here? Quite clearly it didn't pan out as the nay-sayers predicted, and in fact car ownership since 2000 has gone up from 27 million to 33 million today.

We had that a few pages ago!

The infrastructure change is the big difference.

The cost of the cars will eventually even out - if someone gets the infrastructure right!

The cost of the cars, the decade or so it will take to roll out, issues with taxation, etc etc etc. All small issues compared to the quite radicalchange there will have to be to how we use our social topography.

Of course, none of that will make any sense if you
a) don't own a car
b) have access to good public transport
c) have a driveway