Ban on new petrol/diesel cars by 2030 - AIBU to be excited?

[almostautumn]

The government are set to announce a ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030. As someone who lives in a polluted city (London) and worries about the effect that carbon emissions are having on my family’s health, I’m so excited by this news because I think it will really change our children’s lives for the better. And it’s fantastic that it’s only 10 years away!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54981425

If you've got the wrong sort, you'd be well stuffed.

There isn't actually that many different ones (mainly 3 or 4, but in reality just a couple for almost all cars currently) when you look into it and many are interchangeable or you get more than one cable with your car.

I have never yet not been able to charge based on the wrong sort of connecter.

A Tesla Mark 3 is about 8 times my vehicle budget (£42k+ according to Google?). £407/month is rather a lot more than I currently pay to stay on road, although I don't know which make/model that was. How on earth are people meant to afford this when they don't have the disposable income available? Presumably there will be grants and subsidies of some description?

@FundamentallyFucked

Deduction from salary for the lease is £407/month because there is 0% Benefit in Kind tax, for a similar price petrol car it'd be closer to £700/month deduction.

The lease includes insurance (was £70 on my old ford c-max) and breakdown (£10/month (£120/yr) and servicing& mot - roughly £120 per year.

So i spend £407 / month everything included.

On my old c-max, despite owning it outright, the running cost was £350 / month.

The difference is £57.

I've not included the costs that the cmax was racking up such as needing a new air-con compressor, or the thousands I've spent on clutches, brakes etc in the last year or two, which narrows the cost even further.

As for the electricity, both Manchester where I work (GMEV) and Bradford where I live (Engie) have free electricity schemes. Even paying for charging at home would only have cost me about £70/month in electricity, which is about 1/3 - 1/4 of what I was spending on diesel.

Fuel tax makes the government £30 billion a year. As if anybody is going to continue giving away "free" electricity.

Im not justifying it, but I have lived in London 20 years with no car. I used public transport and hired cars on holidays.
The money I saved there meant, we could buy the Tesla Model 3 and not feel guilty.

yes i was a bit wary at the start, it was my husband's 'toy' but now after the holidays and the highland mountains and hills, the ease of Autopark!! I just absolutely love it...

and also being able to close the windows from the shop if we realise the kids forgot them open...

I can also fit two proper car seats in the back and sit a tall 9yo in between... or one car seat, one trunki boostapak and an adult in the middle...

@Wtfdidwedo

Fuel tax makes the government £30 billion a year. As if anybody is going to continue giving away "free" electricity.

Exactly all these lovely perks such as free electricity, charging, grants and discounts are all going to stop prettt damn quickly should this initiative ever become reality. Not only will the Government have to find ways to recoup the money from fuwl tax but they will also need to find ways to claw back the billions spent on charging facilities.

and yes, please be aware of the petrol companies and their fake news and campaigns...

I still remember a Simpsons episode many years ago where there was an Electric car saying "I'm an electric car, i don't go very fast or very far"

Why are people panicking about this? They just won’t be making any new petrol or diesel cars - do you all need a new car every year? No!

You can still use your current car after 2030 - but any new purchases will have to be electric

Should happen sooner tbh - the environment is already fucked

Am sure they will start getting more charging points everywhere in advance it won’t be as hard to find them as it is now! It’s definitely a step in the right direction

PHEVs/Hybrids will still be allowed. They self charge whilst running on their petrol engine.

So all of this panic about charging points and cables and engine power is misplaced.

Also we need to bump up the national grid to cope with the extra capacity needed

That's not necessarily the case. Typically a car is used for 9 hours a week, or for 94% of the time it's doing nothing. By intelligent use of those stationary car's batteries we could even out our generating capacity and use all that storage. Just take a walk around your local area and notice how many cars sit for days doing nothing?

I'm also well aware that for a minority, such as those living in rural areas (around 20%) it is more of a challenge. But that still leaves 80% of new cars by 2030 could be electric.

As to the issue of parking, regardless of the fuel used, it is clear that the current method of people storing their vehicles on the street is not fit for purpose, and with increasing car ownership it needs to be addressed.

Firstly I think we should be building more underground parking in residential areas , using the surface for recreation. The only people who should be allowed to park on the street are the disabled, and for drop off/pick up. if everyone else had a short walk to pick up their car, residential traffic flow would vastly improve.

Throw in automated vehicles for use for all those short journey's people make and it could all come together to make everyone's life more pleasurable.

Will it happen? Probably not with the sort of politicians far too many people continue to vote for.

@GroundAlmonds

PHEVs/Hybrids will still be allowed. They self charge whilst running on their petrol engine.

So all of this panic about charging points and cables and engine power is misplaced.

I don't think so. Apparently they pollute just as much as petrol cars and they are to be phased out

@AdobeWanKenobi

We have a plug in hybrid. A full electric is completely unworkable for us currently. DH frequently has to attend meetings 150/200 miles away. At present he can leave early, travel to his meeting and be home in the evening. To do that presently on a full electric would be absolutely impossible. The hybrid means he can travel between work and office on full electric and free charging points at his office help but as soon as his job required him to leave the office electric would be useless.

Hybrids will be allowed under the proposed 2030 rules.

@GroundAlmonds

PHEVs/Hybrids will still be allowed. They self charge whilst running on their petrol engine.

So all of this panic about charging points and cables and engine power is misplaced.

A quick google says hybrids are also being banned in 2030. Phev’s are being banned by 2035

Hybrids will be allowed under the proposed 2030 rules

Only until 2035

As long as they make them a) cheaper, b) able to be charged in the time it would take to fill a petrol tank, c) able to do hundreds of miles on a charge and d) it needs saying again, Cheaper, then I would be quite happy to make the switch. Especially if they use renewable energy.

I think it's a great idea so long as the cost of these cars are made more reasonable, and more charging ports are available. Free installation for home charging ports should be standard with the purchase of an electric vehicle.

For those worried about range, I would assume that they could improve performance of the vehicles greatly within the next 10 years, so don't worry about that.

I don't think so. Apparently they pollute just as much as petrol cars and they are to be phased out

They have a much later sales-ban date, meaning there will be time for the technology and the rules to be tweaked.

I don't think so. Apparently they pollute just as much as petrol cars and they are to be phased out

Depends on the car I think. Toyota hybrids get much better mpg than a petrol if what you're concerned about is driving emissions (although only for certain types if journeys). Mitsubishi one has horrendous mpg if not running on electric, and from people I know the electric driving range in winter when you need heaters and windscreen wipers on is pretty woeful.

It'll be a nightmare of epic proportions and people I know who already walk a lot and lucky enough to be able to ride a bike ( I can't and I have tried) still own a car!
Supermarkets will have to do more home deliveries as people won't be able to get to the bigger out of town ones because they can't charge the car or the charger has been vandalized or just can't afford to replace the car to own an electric one.
I was brought up without a car. My childhood was spent waiting for buses in the rain and never going anywhere.
Only the rich will be able to run these cars and the cost of electricity will go through the roof!
Buses and trains won't be any better. Taxi prices will go up and the revenue loss of petrol and diesel will be eye watering. Hence more tax to pay elsewhere.
I could charge my car on the driveway but I couldn't have done in my old place as the parking was a way from the house : the charger wouldn't run from house to car.
Anyone doing night shifts would have to get taxis everywhere as buses don't run in rural places. will work places provide chargers? I bet they won't. Too much cost. What about carers who rely on cars to go to the elderly?
I could go on! I'm dreading it all and I think it won't work very well or even be that environmentally friendly in the long run anyway. It's all about controlling what we all do again and making the poor even more excluded than they are already.

Have to laugh at people who think £30 - £40k is 'doable' for a car.

I don't have a private driveway, so have no way of charging at home. My nearest charging point is 2 miles away at a local university...I can't imagine they are going to appreciate all the occupants of the 3 local housing estates turning up to charge their cars!

Yes pollution in London is a problem. But this is another London-centric solution. Other people live in areas without the public transport options to allow us to give up our cars. My work place moves, without any consultation from me, 15 miles away down a busy A road. No chance I can cycle. The buses stop running before I finish work (and due to timings and changed would add 2 hours each way to my journey, which is a bit much after before and after a 12 hour shift).

My work doesn't have charging points and it's unlikely they would install them due to cost.

Great for the rich and middle classes. Not so great for everyone else. It's basically another bung to London.

@G3orgeOrwell

Great for the rich and middle classes. Not so great for everyone else. It's basically another bung to London.

Yes! Why not make London electric only and leave the rest of us alone! At least they have good rail and bus links. Rural places do not.

i have a Toyota CHR self-charging hybrid. i love it. average mpg is around 65, it switches itself between engine and battery power and it’s actually quite quick which surprised me. it’s a 1.8 and weirdly feels quite torquey.i last filled it up about 2 months ago and have 3/4 tank left although granted i don’t do horrendous mileage.

here’s the disclaimer tho: it’s a Motability car and i pay for it with the mobility element of my PIP each month. the cost price of the car is around £29k and i would never be able to afford that usually.

i do love it though, it’s a great car and i highly recommend it. it’s not just a choice between a Tesla or a Leaf - there’s a lot of hybrids in the mid-range and self charge
means no stress about charging points. fully electric would make me nervous for that very reason. i live on the outskirts of a smallish market town, down a private road and there are no streetlights available!

it’s a nice idea but the infrastructure needs massive work nationally, not even taking in to account how we manage renewable electricity for the National Grid.

I'm not so much against no more gas or diesel cars as a little skeptical of the environmental credibility of electric cars.

I have no doubt that we will increase renewable energy sources, but I am not convinced it will be enough, there are issues around batteries, and really just the embodied energy and materials that go into cars at all.

I think that over the last 20 years there has been a major shift away from what is by far the most important environmental approach - creating a society where there is a lot less stuff, a lot less consumerism, a lot less need to drive all over the place. So zoning laws and housing so that most people in towns, cities, and villages can walk to work, shopping, and entertainment. Families really considering living closer together for similar reasons. The economy less centralised around large cities. Well thought our rural bus service and less expectation that people can whiz around in a car. More self-sustaining villages.

Historically this kind of more local focus to life is not that far in the past. I really wouldn't be worried about farmers or other workers needing vehicles, even diesel ones, for their work if we could simply reduce the amound of cars andvehicles all round.