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to be proud to be Irish - Biden reportedly wants The Chieftains for his inauguration.

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Shuddawuddacudda · 16/11/2020 16:51

www.irishcentral.com/culture/entertainment/joe-biden-irish-band-chieftains-inauguration?fbclid=IwAR2hHpONAH86n_voO69ZwFK8gooFuU8rByZQnbMGXIDU4_w43_zQVggfPGU

'Reported by media'.

Good to know whose corner he's in.... Only the other day, Sky News were gloating that Boris got a phonecall from Biden before Ireland lol.

I think Obama was a fan of The High Kings too. Might have had them at Paddy's Day or something at the WH.

Big honour for The Chieftains if true!

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IRunLikeJoeBiden · 17/11/2020 09:15

@Baaaahhhhh

Sorry, but I find Biden's obsession with his Irish roots a bit odd. Biden is of English, French and Irish descent. His Irish roots are very distant in modern terms, his great-great grandparents on his mothers side. I have to say I think it is a bit odd that he sees himself as so Irish, when he is absolutely an American of mixed European descent and is actually only less than 1/5th Irish.
Well, at least that's something, given the American tendency to claim Irish roots when they once had a Guinness in a bar in Boston.
IRunLikeJoeBiden · 17/11/2020 09:16

That said, if he can exert any influence/strongarm BJ into actually adhering to the GFA, he can be as Irish as he likes. Grin

Shuddawuddacudda · 17/11/2020 09:17

Anyone remember this interaction with Trump and Varadkar re 'border issue'

Trump had openly supported a no deal brexit and was pro Boris, so how he could sit there and shite on about a good deal for Ireland with our 'wall'. FFS.

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LucilleBluth · 17/11/2020 12:55

@Leaannb..my point is that I wouldn’t say I’m Irish because I have a Mancunian accent and the culture I grew up around was northern English working class. I already have a strong identity, I would sound like a right twat saying I’m actually Irish.

I was the first in my family to go to university and have a professional job, my northern-ness (if you will) informs how people see me.

But America is obviously very different. It’s about identity.

GrandUnion · 17/11/2020 13:04

[quote MarDhea]@kurtainwoz Well it's a big enough thing that it made me leave England and return to Ireland (in very recent years). I just finally had enough and I didn't want my kids growing up there.

There's a lot more to anti-Irish sentiment than death threats and searches, which thankfully don't really happen any more. Being threatened with violence for being Irish does happen, though. And verbal abuse. And snide comments. And mockery. And being passed over for jobs. And more. I experienced or witnessed all those over years of living in the UK, rarely at first but a lot more after 2015 or so. It really, really wears you down after a while, and all the perfectly lovely British people I knew weren't enough to compensate for it.

I gather from your posts that you grew up in England to Irish parents - with respect, that means you won't see the vast majority of anti-Irish sentiment that is thrown at someone with an Irish accent, who becomes a target for a certain type of racist from the moment they open their mouths. Sad[/quote]
This absolutely reflects my experience as an Irish person studying, living and working in professional jobs for more than 20 years in different parts of England. Lots of microaggressions, mimickings of accent, ostentatious surprise at an Irish person in my particular field and level of education, regular casual assumptions of terrorist sympathies or connections and that I must drink heavily, do what priests told me, be extremely superstitious and come from extreme poverty (worse outside of London, more prevalent in older white people -- obviously only a minority of people, but it wasn't pleasant, and it occasionally blind-sided me from someone unexpected, or wrecked a social occasion).

Despite having also great affection for England, especially London where we lived for a decade, we also left in 2019 -- Brexit seemed to have inflamed xenophobia, and we didn't want our child to grow up dealing with that.

Bluesheep8 · 17/11/2020 13:46

I find this irish pride puzzling too. English of Irish origin don’t have this sense of pride.

Er, I do! I was born in England to an Irish mother and an English father. I consider myself half Irish and I'm very proud of my Irish half.

AryaStarkWolf · 17/11/2020 13:51

I know Irish people totally roll their eyes at ‘door-knockers’ (DH actually is Irish), but it is different when you come from a new world country, and trace your ancestors back to somewhere far away.

I think it's nice actually that people have an interest (I'm Irish)

OwlOne · 17/11/2020 13:52

Im proud in a proportionate way. Ireland is a great country for its size. We've been through a lot to get here. How could you not be proud to be zirish??

SharonasCorona · 17/11/2020 13:55

I'm an emigrant and I 100% see myself as Irish and nothing else.

Trying saying that as an Asian person in the UK! You would be accused of not integrating.

AryaStarkWolf · 17/11/2020 13:59

@Bluesheep8

I find this irish pride puzzling too. English of Irish origin don’t have this sense of pride.

Er, I do! I was born in England to an Irish mother and an English father. I consider myself half Irish and I'm very proud of my Irish half.

Yeah was just going to say, my DH has 2nd and 3rd generation family in England and they're very proud of it, most of them would even shout for Ireland over England in sports events
Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/11/2020 14:30

A lot of IRA members still live in Boston and the bombings and such were actually funded by Irish pubs in Boston

Well, partly funded yes - but happily a lot of that stopped after 9/11

I've often thought it a bit ironic that the aircraft bearing one group of terrorists took off from a city which did so much to fund another ...

EmeraldShamrock · 17/11/2020 14:40

I think it's nice actually that people have an interest (I'm Irish)
Me too. 🇮🇪
It is lovely being Irish while travelling or holidaying Irish get a warm reception often.

EmeraldShamrock · 17/11/2020 14:40

My little flag above didn't work. Blush

JuliaJohnston · 17/11/2020 14:43

It did 😃

Moonmelodies · 17/11/2020 14:47

Biden might raise some eyebrows amongst DC's Native American community if he hires a band called The Chieftains, especially after all the controversy with their football team.

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 17/11/2020 14:52

I find this irish pride puzzling too. English of Irish origin don’t have this sense of pride.

My mum's family do. It's partly why dh and I had to elope. Even though she never had an Irish accent she got plenty of abuse for being Catholic and having an Irish name at Grammar School. Interestingly enough she found getting civil service promotions became a lot easier after marriage too.

dreamingbohemian · 17/11/2020 14:55

@Moonmelodies

Biden might raise some eyebrows amongst DC's Native American community if he hires a band called The Chieftains, especially after all the controversy with their football team.
Native American leaders are known as chiefs, not chieftains. There is no issue with the Chieftains.

The football team was not even known as the chiefs, it was a vile racist slur, which thankfully has now been abandoned.

DGRossetti · 17/11/2020 14:57

@Moonmelodies

Biden might raise some eyebrows amongst DC's Native American community if he hires a band called The Chieftains, especially after all the controversy with their football team.
Trying to educate myself, it seems "The Chieftains" take their name from the Gaelic sense which gives us Taoiseach ???
bellinisurge · 17/11/2020 14:58

Not a fan of trad. Am a fan of Fuck Yous to Johnson and the Brexiteers.
May wave my Irish passport in time to the Chieftains.

DGRossetti · 17/11/2020 15:16

@bellinisurge

Not a fan of trad. Am a fan of Fuck Yous to Johnson and the Brexiteers. May wave my Irish passport in time to the Chieftains.
The Pogues Grin ?
Bluesheep8 · 17/11/2020 15:20

The Wolfe Tones? Grin

bellinisurge · 17/11/2020 16:09

I've saw the Pogues loads of times. Now that would have been cool. Grin
Or the thing on RTÉ recently where Irish women sang Dreams. But cheesy but ....

EmeraldShamrock · 23/11/2020 23:57

Patricia Treacy the violinist also invited to play at his inauguration.
www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-violinist-patricia-treacy-to-play-at-joe-biden-s-inauguration-1.4414117

pickledplumjam · 24/11/2020 00:09

Good! Why shouldn't he be proud?! TBH he's got enough shit at home to deal with that he will bother too much with Europe. But he won't bloody let Boris fuck with Irish peace if he can help it. Boris can kiss his special relationship goodbye.

lyralalala · 24/11/2020 00:28

@Baaaahhhhh

Sorry, but I find Biden's obsession with his Irish roots a bit odd. Biden is of English, French and Irish descent. His Irish roots are very distant in modern terms, his great-great grandparents on his mothers side. I have to say I think it is a bit odd that he sees himself as so Irish, when he is absolutely an American of mixed European descent and is actually only less than 1/5th Irish.
It's worth keeping in mind that Biden (and his parents) lived with his Grandparents for years. That will have kept him one step closer to his Irish roots than it normally would being the next step down.

My siblings and I lived with our grandparents and we have more of their traditions than our cousins because with each generation a wee bit can get lost, but we didn't have that because we were with them every day.